Sunday, 25 January 2009

Integrated EU blacklist of 'criminals' is here

Have you paid a parking fine recently? Got three points on your licence? Been formally warned by the council for your bin protruding on the footway? (yep, I have had the £1,000 fine threat on the last one) Been suspended from your Sunday football league for rough tackling? (yes, seriously) Congratulations! Your records could soon be added to a pan-European database of subversives. This EU Council decision of 20th January on the establishment of a pan-EU 'criminal' database includes the following 'offences' :-
  • Offences related to waste
  • Unintentional environmental offences
  • Insult of the State, Nation or State symbols
  • Insult or resistance to a representative of public authority
  • Public order offences, breach of the public peace
  • Revealing a secret or breaching an obligation of secrecy
  • Unintentional damage or destruction of property
  • Offences against migration law - an "Open category" (offences undefined thus all encompassing)
  • Offences against military obligations - an "Open category" (offences undefined thus all encompassing)
  • Unauthorised entry or residence
  • Other offences an "Open category" (offences undefined thus all encompassing)
  • Other unintentional offences
  • Prohibition from frequenting some places
  • Prohibition from entry to a mass event
  • Placement under electronic surveillance ("fixed or mobile" - eg: home, car, mobile phone etc)
  • Withdrawal of a hunting / fishing license
  • Prohibition to play certain games/sports
  • Prohibition from national territory
  • Personal obligation - an "Open category" (offences undefined thus all encompassing)
  • "Fine" - all fines. inc minor non-criminal offences
All those of us who have ever accidentally spilled a cupful of diesel in the water when refuelling, dropped a piece of litter or called the EU circle of stars a fascist and totalitarian symbol are now, officially, criminals. Welcome to the club.

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Placement under electronic surveillance" surely includes literally everyone, does it not?

So this is just the ID database writ even larger.

Sue said...

Since when are all these things criminal?

If I have overfilled my bin, I don't expect my name to be on a list with a convicted killer as a criminal!

Sue said...

Page 29

Code 1306,1307

Embezzlement, misappropriation or other diversion of property by a public official.

Abuse of a function by a public official.

I think that covers almost the whole of NuLabour then!

Raedwald said...

Yep - we're all crims now. One list fits all - kiddie fiddlers and parking meter over-stayers all on the same list.

The next stage is 'special treatment' for anyone on the list - a diminution of rights, perhaps, or State permission to write on the internet ...

Raedwald said...

... and don't let then catch you working more than 48 hours a week
(code 2205 - 'offences relating to working hours')

lilith said...

*shivers*

Sue said...

I don't understand why anyone else hasn't picked this up, it's pretty serious stuff.

JPT said...

What about REAL criminals - they'll be okay I presume?

Alfred said...

I thought that I was too old to emigrate. I'm changing my mind. Thanks R'wald

Old Holborn said...

We already live in an open pison. What do you think all the cameras and PCSO's are doing?

it's either banned or compulsory said...
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it's either banned or compulsory said...

Probably the most depressing thing since Lieutenant Pidgeon sang Mouldy Old Dough.

Barnsley Bill said...

Bloody hell! I shall post on this and send my 3 and a half readers here for a look. Found this via Old Holborn and the devils kitchen..)

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Anonymous said...

By far the worst bit of news is the total acceptance of this by the Tories and Liberals. If there is no credible opposition what can you do?

Dave H said...

The last third or so were punishments rather than offences.

That said, the offences of:
"Insult of the State, Nation or State symbols

Insult or resistance to a representative of public authority"

are both really chilling.

Anonymous said...

Ah but two things. All these offenses will be largely ignored by the French and other Europeans who extract only what they want from Europe and ignore the rest and secondly, if you want to drop a kilo of Semtex into a bin in Warrington and blow 10 year old school boys to bits, then that's OK - go past Gordon Brown and collect £12,000

Fidothedog said...

Thats everyone in the UK added as the champagne swilling socialists see us all as potential criminals who need watching for signs of free thought.

sgl said...

From my reading of the document some of the things you have listed as offences are, in fact, punishments. Such as Prohibition to play certain games/sports. So the punishment would be listed with the actual offence.

Don't take this comment as indicating my agreement with this database.

John said...

What exactly is the problem with sharing criminal data with a view to arresting suspects? Interpol has been doing this for years. Crime doesn't stop at borders.

Furthermore, if you look at Section 29 of the Data Protection Act 1998, UK authorities are perfectly within their rights to share this information.

MrDavies said...

Keep an eye open to see which company gets awarded the contract to create the pan-European database.

I don't suppose any MEPs will be on the board in some capacity.

Looking on the bright side, at least the Euro-Stazi will be able to track the movements of cigarette-butt litter-mongers, even if the cost does run into billions.

Atheist Ranter said...

I feel so absolutely helpless! Various comments above have an element of humour to them which I feel is necessary considering all... But, for fuck's sake! This is SERIOUS! If nothing else, can you imagine the amount of bureaucratic time and our money that has been spent just putting that shit together. Then, let's go into the fucking consequences of ending up in court and finding you have 'previous' for not playing the game according to the rules or wiping your arse on the EU flag (Thought! Bog roll with EU flag on each sheet - anyone know a good printer?)

It seems to me that anyone NOT on this fucking list is probably brain dead anyway.

Seriously, just for a start, the UK needs out of the EU. Cunts the lot of them..

John B said...

"Keep an eye open to see which company gets awarded the contract to create the pan-European database."

Since there won't *be* a pan-European database, this might not be super-worthwhile advice.

The procedure under ECRIS is:
1) German arrested in France for pimping
2) French authorities submit a request to the (existing) German national criminal records database
3) The German national criminal records database reveals that the bloke has previous for organ trafficking and slavery, and was sent to a loony bin (using the ECRIS codes to show all of these, which is easier than looking at the original records in German, particularly as most French cops don't speak German)
4) French authorities use this information in their investigation.

No information will be recorded that isn't already in national criminal records databases - the only difference is that the national DBs will be indexed to make it easier for cops to understand the information they ge back from abroad.

Anonymous said...

John B, you are very naive!

John B said...

No, I'm right. It's like naive, but with added 'being right', plus small doses of 'reading the fucking source material' and 'not being a paranoid loony'.

DeviateReality said...

Finally someone who reads what it actually means!

Of course some of the categories seem strange, they have to work across all member states and not just here. That member states will include their own information on the offences which fit under the categories, so that it can be better understood.

I suggest people read the document.

Captain Swing said...

John B

Sorry mate you are naive in the extreme.
I take it that you will be one of the first volunteering for the new ID card (nothing to hide,nothing to fear).

You speak like you work at the BBC oh you have worked for the BBC.How did I guess.
Just visiting this site labels you as a subversive and you are stupid enough to use your own name.Thats either really clever or really stupid.

John B said...

"I take it that you will be one of the first volunteering for the new ID card (nothing to hide,nothing to fear)."

Actually I'm a member of No2ID, but nice try.

"You speak like you work at the BBC oh you have worked for the BBC.How did I guess."

You mean, articulate RP? Guilty as charged.

Just visiting this site labels you as a subversive

?!

and you are stupid enough to use your own name.Thats either really clever or really stupid.

In the event that there was an Evil And Sinister Ministry Of Locking Up People Who Read Ill-Informed Libertarian Blogs, I reckon they'd probably be able to track my IP address even if I used a pseudonym...

Anonymous said...

Congrats! your all now part of the new world order! it was easy as your all dumbed down! sitting on your arses in the comfort of your home!

Anonymous said...

Easily I to but I about the collection should have more info then it has.