Wednesday, 18 February 2009

For those who doubt the growing disquiet over a 'police state'

Take a look at the comments on the BBC's 'Have your say' (H/T An Englishman's Castle).

Hardly an overwhelming endorsement of the intrusive State, are they?

Yes, I know lots of people write to their MP asking for CCTV cameras. What they're actually asking for is better local policing. To offer this as evidence that the population supports the intrusive State is a little disingenuous. And with the airline pilots - hardly members of the tinfoil-hat brigade - set to refuse to be ID card salami this hardly bodes well for something the government claims has widespread support.

My work brings me into contact with a very broad spectrum of people, both socially and politically. I can't recall one who wants more State snooping, more prodnoses, more databases or more draconian laws (except, it must be said, for dog fouling - the majority of ordinary people in the UK seem to support summary lynching for dog owners who don't 'pick up').

I need to go through the recent opinion polls to collate more evidence on this, but my own experience is of a growing disquiet at the growth of the intrusive State.


Blue Eyes said...

There is no hypocrisy in asking for more CCTV and being against the overbearing state. CCTV cameras monitor the public domain, not people's private homes. The CCTV cameras are not used to follow people around and see what they get up to, they are used to collect evidence of criminal offences and to alert police to unfolding situations. As long as they are limited to those uses there are no privacy issues.

Blue Eyes said...

I can't recall one who wants more State snooping, more prodnoses, more databases or more draconian laws

It depends on the question though, doesn't it. If you ask people if they want warm evenings and apple pie they will say "yes". If you ask them if they want organised crime, immigration and identity fraud stamped out they will also say "yes".

Anonymous said...

@BlueEyes:"The CCTV cameras are not used to follow people around and see what they get up to"

Actually I think they probably are. Or, if they're not, that is certainly the Statists' ambition.

Anonymous said...

I used to subscribe and contribute to BBC's HaveYourSay but I stopped when I found my comments were being rejected within minutes of posting them. So I think it's a bit hypocritical of the BBC to even bother asking what people think. (My most recent attempt was a New Year's "prediction" that if benefits are reduced to save public money the great unwashed will take to the streets. Hardly revolutionary!)

I think the media, especially the BBC, have to put their hands up and take responsibility for what's happening here in this country. Their reporting is increasingly biased. They broadcast programmes and documentaries that smooth the way for the next round of government initiatives by forming public opinion rather than reporting on it and seriously skew historical fact to match some sort of apologist agenda.

As for CCTV not being used to track an individual - of course they do. Look at the use of traffic cams that have both numberplate and face recognition so they can follow a vehicle and its' occupants!

It's all more than slightly chilling, as is the latest Police demand that pubs have CCTVs on the premises otherwise they will not be granted liquor licenses. How long will it be before they demand we all have satellite transmitters in our cars otherwise we won't be granted a road fund license?

Blue Eyes said...

CCTV in pubs? No thanks, not the public domain.

Looking up a number plate to see if you have paid your tax, insurance and MOT or to record a speeding offence is not the same as keeping a record of where each car goes on its journey.

I would prefer to live in a world where we didn't need cameras because there were enough real people out there preventing crime, but unfortunately...

Daz said...

@Blue Eyes

There are two types of ANPR - fixed and mobile.

The fixed ANPR cameras log everything that passes them by. They are located on motorways, city centres and major roads but the exact locations are not disclosed.

The mobile ANPR units have blitzes in a certain area then move on.

Personally I am very much in favour of mobile ANPR but totally against fixed, all-seeing ANPR.

it's either banned or compulsory said...

Prince Of Darkness " Oi Gordon, stop snivelling and listen. I've found a new data-base for us to snoop and bully with and it's free !
According to The American Association for the Advancement of Science, single people get ill because they lack companionship, they get as ill as smokers and the obese. Because they are single they lack self-control and are therefore more likely to 'comfort eat', give up on exercise regimes, have a second or even third 'comfort scotch ' to combat feelings of lonliness and depression.
The reason they are single is because they lack social skills
( which we can interpret as being anti-social ).
We can accuse them of being ABUSERS of Scarce NHS Resources, robbing infants of maternity treatment, that kind of thing.

Statisics show that the largest number of households by size = 1
They are easily identifiable because they will have signed up for single discount Council Tax ( ie data-base is already in place , cunning huh "