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Thursday, 17 December 2009

Rough justice

Looking at Newm's post on 'Give us Justice or we will take it', I was almost motivated to utter a supportive harrumph until I read this piece in last night's Standard;
A woman begs for mercy in Guatemala City after being doused with petrol. She was part of an armed gang that tried to rob bus passengers, who caught, beat and stripped her before setting her alight. Police put out the flames and arrested her. Her three companions escaped.

Munir Hussein may have used reasonable force to apprehend his robber. But after having done so, rather than hand the robber over to police custody, he beat him with a cricket bat until it broke. In jailing Hussein for 30 months, Judge Reddihough said 'If persons were permitted to … inflict their own instant and violent punishment on an apprehended offender rather than letting justice take its course, then the rule of law and our system of criminal justice, which are the hallmarks of a civilised society, would collapse.'

And I have to say, looking at the photo of the woman about to be ignited by the mob in Guatemala above, I'm more inclined to agree with the Judge on this one.


Weekend Yachtsman said...

I agree, but one must point out something that we all know, and presumably Mr. Hussein knew too: that "letting justice take its course" in the UK these days, is all too liable to result in either (a) those responsible never being found (or even sought) or (b) the merest slap on the wrist even if they are caught, tried, and convicted.

At least these lowlife got some real punishment. They are, at the very least, unlikely to rob that particular home again.

Anonymous said...

The problem stems entirely from a system of justice that fails miserably to dispense what the majority of right-minded people see as just.

We may not have got as far down that road as Guatemala, but be under no illusion, we are on that road. The Guatemalan's, who like everyone else in this world, just want to get on with their lives in peace, have become fed up with zero justice and criminals acting with impunity. Their reaction is wholly understandable in meting out their own instant version.

Manir Hussain, knew full well what would happen if he merely apprehended the miscreant and turn him over to the police. Nothing. Nada. Zippo. Zilch. No justice for his and his family's horrific order would ever be done.

Blaming the victim takes this whole sorry scenario one step further down the road to anarchy and the blame lies four-square at the door of the state, who baulk at bringing real criminals to justice while showing their might against law-abiding citizens. Law-abiding citizens will stop dealing out their own brand of justice, only when the state champions their cause and justice is done and seen to be done.

I have no sympathy whatsoever with these criminals.

Coney Island

Weekend Yachtsman said...

Anon 09:41, you're right.

In support let me point out that the other perps - the ones Mr. Hussein did not catch - have never been apprehended.

This is typical.

They never will be apprehended, either. "Insufficient resources" will be the excuse, ie too busy shooting innocent Brazilians, or chasing people who throw apple cores out of their cars, take a sip from a water bottle while stopped at traffic lights, put their rubbish in the wrong-coloured bin, etc etc.

talwin said...
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talwin said...

Bet she never robs any more bus passengers.

Just saying.

JuliaM said...

I wonder if it was that woman's first offence.

Or her fifty-first...

Anonymous said...

IF said burglar, clobbered with a cricket bat, WASN'T inside Mr Husseins home, uninvited, intent on mischief HE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD SAID BAT BROKEN OVER HIS HEAD!

Mr Hussein is judged to have used "unreasonable force".
Reasonable force is defined how exactly?
Would the outcome have been any different if Mr Hussein had broken his bat on the serial burglars skull INSIDE his home?

As for the Guatemala story strange how the only female robber was caught but her male accomplices managed to get away don't you think?

Anonymous said...

she does not look very doused , burnt or contrite. Just vaguely embarrased.

Anonymous said...

she does not look very doused , burnt or contrite. Just vaguely embarrased.

Rob Farrington said...

'As for the Guatemala story strange how the only female robber was caught but her male accomplices managed to get away don't you think?'.

Maybe the mob had 'stripping' rather more on their minds than 'vengeance'?

Budgie said...

One of the ways socialists have of controlling their subject population is to treat ordinary people as criminals and criminals as victims. Read the Gulag Archipelago. This is what ZaNuLiebore has done.

I am uneasy about Mr Hussain braining the criminal to the extent of breaking the cricket bat (how strong was the bat?). Yet I will defend his right to do it and not be jailed until Sir Ian Blair is imprisoned for the murder of an innocent Brazilian.