Friday, 18 March 2011

The problem with the NHS?

The following graph, from Market Oracle, hardly needs a comment. Labour's damage to our economy is deep seated and will cause much pain to untangle.

13 comments:

JohnofEnfield said...

...and so it came to pass "I will stuff their mouths with gold".

Simon said...

Two comments....

1) I'm not altogether sure where their numbers come from - my wife is a GP and she sure as hell doesn't earn anything close to £125k. Even the partners in her practice don't get close. So if they're correct, they're very cherry picked.

2) yes I have an interest - but why shouldn't GPs get paid more than MPs? To be a GP you have to go to med school and train for around 10 years. To our cost, we've found that any idiot (and many do) can be an MP.

Anonymous said...

I think it will be average earnings. Hence the inflated GP earnings.

I also suspect it does not include 'benefits' for MP's aka expenses.

Having said that, the NHS salary schemes are indefensible.

Anonymous said...

I would like to see a graph showing the proportion of administrative staff compared to doctors and nurses, and the total wages for each. I suspect that is where the trouble lies, as in other organisations.

DC

Anonymous said...

I think the miscreant was Sir Nigel Crisp. He was the chap that put up GP pay by bringing in an ill-thought out piece of legislation to make GPs work harder and longer. GP and hospital doctors weeks are broken into 10 sessions, 2 per day, obviously. Crisp paid per session to keep GPs out of private practice. All GPs did was ensure they claimed the full 10 sessions and then moved private work into out of hours and weekends. Hence they earn quite a lot, if they know how to play the game. And lets face it, Crisp made the game easy for them. Oh, and then Crisp resigned from the NHS, but not before the damage was irreparably done.

Coney Island

Elby the Beserk said...

If I recall, the doctors were given a huge lump of money and told that they could do what they wanted with it.

The idea being that they improved this, that and the other. Instead, they shocked Parliament by behaving exactly like MPs, and grabbed all the money for themselves.

Anonymous said...

GP's work longer and harder? Not in my experience, not by a long chalk. I have to pre-book illness 3 weeks in advance to have any chance of seeing a doctor while they may do some good. I have recently been suffering intermittent pains in my head, see a doctor? No chance. Phone tomorrow the doctor may speak to you, if not we can fit you in 2 weeks on Tuesday.

2 weeks later;
Doctor - "What is the problem"
Me - "I have been getting intermittent pains in my head, they are quite debilitating"
Doctor (After a little fumble and manipulation) Do you smoke?
Me- "WTF"
Doctor - "It is important that we know your lifestyle choices"
Me - "I don't discuss lifestyle choices. What about my head pains"
Doctor - "Is it sore now?"
Me - "No"
Doctor - "Well come back when it is."

The NHS- turds, the lot of them.

Anonymous said...

MP benefits is the key. Yes, the salary might be lower, but the perks and illegal takings from illicit expense reimbursements more than make up for it. Plus for the MPs, all that illicitly taken booty is non-taxable reimbursement. MPs might not be as learned as GPs but when it comes to thieving money, they know full well how to rig the game in their favour.

Anonymous said...

MP benefits is the key. Yes, the salary might be lower, but the perks and illegal takings from illicit expense reimbursements more than make up for it. Plus for the MPs, all that illicitly taken booty is non-taxable reimbursement. MPs might not be as learned as GPs but when it comes to thieving money, they know full well how to rig the game in their favour. Especially Labour MPs.

Anonymous said...

Well, which would YOU prefer to have looking after your health!

Span Ows said...

I agree with many comments above; a couple more points:

1. I wonder if it is "Doctors" and not 'just' GPs: many specialise and, nearly always deservedly, get more money.

2. MPs AVERAGE expenses claims are 137 thousand on top of salary, so, to be clear, mealy mouthed shitty lying fuckwits get more EXPENSES than GPs salaries; that's waht needs addressing.

DP111 said...

With MPs we do have the choice of kicking them out.

Anonymous said...

"If I recall, the doctors were given a huge lump of money and told that they could do what they wanted with it. "

It was all politicians' lack of strategic skills. There was that, plus they basically offered GPs the option of giving up after hours care in exchange for a paycut of abut 10k or so. Naturally, GPs jumped at the chance...