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Thursday, 14 July 2011

DK and EU Referendum have the truth of it

Devil's Kitchen and EU referendum are both spot-on about the poor sense in forcing a premature referendum on EU membership; we should work to resist this with all our collective might. Europe is amassing a press and PR budget of tens of millions to be deployed wherever there is such a risk; Cameron's government will also throw the whole weight of the government advertising and PR structures and budgets behind it, and that seeming 'Out' lead in the polls will melt like ice cream in the Sun. 

The best course of action is to stand back and watch the EU destroy itself. The success of a bid by Brussels to impose a direct additional VAT levy of 2% or 3%, to introduce direct taxation from the Berlaymont, long a dream cherished by EUphiles, will do more to set the mood of the British public than anything. And even MPs are gradually waking to the PR dangers of billions more in bail-out funds going to the IMF for Europe when ordinary people are struggling to make ends meet. 

The last government's ID card campaign shows how even the slickest and most expensive PR blitz can be worthless when people have discussed and rejected the issues in advance. We're not yet at that stage over the EU. But we're getting there. 

And don't forget that the Murdoch stable in the UK has been uniformly Eurosceptic; the Sun on Sunday can be expected to continue the Screws' editorial line. If Murdoch sells, a new proprietor may not be quite so helpful. Brown's petulant whingeing in the Commmons yesterday was not just the 'painful gratitude of slavery' - his resentment at his own dependence on the News Corp press - but part of a move by the EUphile establishment to neuter a loud and powerful voice against Europe.


Barnacle Bill said...

Interesting theory young Raewald that the phone hacking scandal could have a sub plot of castrating News Corp prior to letting us plebs have a referendum.
Whilst I agree with the softly, softly catchee monkey approach, I'm a bit worried we will find ourselves too entangled in the EU web to avoid following it over the event horizon when it reaches that point of no return down the tubes.

Weekend Yachtsman said...

The mob is fickle, and the current hysteria against Murdoch will move opinion against anything - anything at all - that Murdoch believes or supports, or is thought to believe or support, including euroscepticism.

Cameron and his fellow EUrophiles might welcome a referendum now, in the hope that they would win it, and finish the issue for ever. They are probably plotting and machinating towards that very end.

Don't walk into their trap! We must not let them fight this one on their own chosen ground.

DeeDee99 said...

I know you are right about a Referendum - it would be extremely hard to win it - but I don't think we need to fear that one will be held anytime soon. Cameron has gone on record saying that there will be no EU Referendum whilst he is PM.

I think they will try to renegotiate the UK's position which will fail because the Commissars will not give up any of the power they have slowly and painstakingly got over the independently-minded Anglo-Saxons they hate.

I am looking forward to the 2014 EU Parliament elections. I think the British people will treat that as the Referendum they are denied - and will vote UKIP as the largest British Party sending a clear message to our politicians and the Commissars.

Meantime, the EU will spend billions saving the Euro and will demand more money - including direct taxation. Ultimately, it will be direct taxation that drives the British people firmly into the Anti-EU camp.

WitteringsfromWitney said...

Made exactly the same point over at my place R. If there were to be a referendum it would need to be very strictly controlled and held on a level playing field.

Not that the powers would allow that, hence any referendum should be put on hold.

Jackie D said...

It is for the very reason that Cameron has said he won't be holding a referendum anytime soon (unlikely to U turn on that one) that the campaign probably do the naysayers not understand this? It serves as just another tool, only one people properly take stock of and pay attention to (unlike UKIP, esp. when they fail at the polls continuously...Europhiles jump on this), to exert pressure on the pro-EU and frontbench camp! People have got to see the value inherent in that....

outsider said...

You are so right. The SNP has shown how these things should be done.
I concluded some years ago that the EU cannot be reformed but we should first try to do so in alliance with other member states.
We should try to push the subsidiarity agenda across the board. We should resist unreasonable demands without fearing the consequences and see how the new European Union Act works in practice.
Any referendum under that Act would test the waters. Any weaseling out of a referendum under that Act would affect opinion.
Remember that, although a majority may say they favour withdrawal before the argument is really joined,UKIP has not got near to winning a single seat in the UK Parliament. And to see the force of the pro-Brussels Establishment in action, just watch any EU debate in the House of Lords.

Anonymous said...

News International will implode before the euro.

Anonymous said...

Britain in a few seconds later

Anonymous said...

Even if a referendum were to be offered [unlikely] the wording of the actual question would be loaded to make it nigh on impossible to leave.
It would not be a simple: in or out ballot.
It would be along the lines of; "now that the world is forming and coalescing into large trading empires or blocs, do you believe that Britain's future prosperity lies in being a member of a strong trading bloc or on it's own: having to vie with competitive super economies of the USA and China and India ie, BRICS?"

Lets face it, the majority of voters under 35 wouldn't understand the bloody question.


James Higham said...

DK and I [as part of Albion Alliance] fell out over this very issue in 2009, at a time when the referendum should have been put. The anti forces wee not nearly as well organized and Brown's mess was fresh in everyone's minds.

That was the time to do it, not at the end of Cameron's first term. Two things altered that:

1. Cameron didn't get his majority;
2. What you've just described in this post has come about and they are much better organized now.

I'd conclude that, just as in Ireland the second time round, an Out might well be defeated.

The third reason, as stated above, is that the EU is falling apart and it's the better strategy to let it now.

Weekend Yachtsman said...

"The SNP has shown how these things should be done."


Salmond's tactics are very clever, and are working. Put simply, they are:

1. Pick as many fights as possible with the ruling power, and make sure they are all blamed on "those others".

2. Give out endless freebies to your own population; you can't afford them, but it doesn't matter because those others are paying anyway, and it increases resentment on the other side. Free prescriptions, free bus travel, free university tuition, that sort of thing.

3. Whenever something bad happens, blame "those others" for it, regardless of the facts.

4. Keep banging on about some mythical past injustice that can be laid at the door of "those others". Oil revenues, for instance.

After a few years of this, hold your referendum. Make sure the question asked is well-balanced - something like "Do you want to get rid of they bastard English or not?"

Then you win.

The same tactics could be adopted vis-a-vis the EU, but Cameron is not the man to do it, mainly because, of course, he doesn't want independence anyway.

Anonymous said...

You are absolutely right. We must wait until everyone is directly affected by the EU by something as big as direct taxation. There are far too many people who currently fall into either the 'Don't Know', 'Don't Care', 'Don't Understand' camps for there to be a referendum. Let the EU implode of it's own accord.