Sunday, 14 August 2011

Hugh Orde's deep ignorance of London

You'd think that someone who is reported to aspire to become London's next police Commissioner would at least mug up a little on our metropolis, wouldn't you? Perhaps Hugh Orde's time as capo di capi of the shadowy and secretive ACPO organisation has simply left him wholly out of touch with real policing in London. Anyhow, Orde opines pompously to the Indie this morning, with reference to Bill Bratton's appointment:-
I am not sure I want to learn about gangs from an area of America that has 400 of them. It seems to me, if you've got 400 gangs, then you're not being very effective.
Thereby demonstrating that he knows little of either London's 330 identifiable street gangs, 239 of them currently active, or of what defines, encourages and enables the growth of gang culture.   


Perhaps it is Orde's peculiar and quite astonishing ignorance of the state of our capital that leads him to make his clearest statement so far on his absolute opposition to either introducing democracy to policing or any type of local police identity or accountability:-
What I suggested to the Home Secretary is a more sensible approach, maybe to look across far wider styles of policing; and, more usefully, at European styles – they, like us, are bound by the European Convention.
European police forces operate within a system of Roman law and act as the paramilitary wing of the central State; they are largely national rather than local and beyond any democratic accountability to local communities. Britain's police, like those in the US, arose from our unique Common Law framework and are founded on the policing principles of Robert Peel. They are (were until the 1964 Police Act) locally accountable and should have direct democratic accountability. Bill Bratton, in other words, has more experience of British-style policing than any Euro police battalion Commandant, and that's what Orde hates. His whole credo is one of turning our separate constabularies into a national police force, on the European model, as a tool of the central State. 


If anyone now seriously imagines that this man is either qualified or suitable as a candidate for Met Commissioner they must be delusional. Orde is patently unfit even to wear the uniform of a police force that prides itself on its Peelean roots. 

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Raedwald, you forgot the last sentence.

...all of which means, he will no doubt get the job.

Taking that "joke" aside, you are of course correct. Just take a look at Spain where they have the "Guardia Civil". And in Spain the saying goes "the ghost of old Franco is never far away".

Fcuk Orde - may his career rot in hell, we don't need him. We just need to reorder our society away from Labour's outmoded Harmanist principles and get back to "bobbies on bicycles, two by two".

Coney Island

Angry Exile said...

Not sure which area the '400 gangs' comment refers to but both LA and NYC have significantly larger populations than London. Probably isn't all that different once that's taken into account, though I doubt Huge Ordure would see it that way.

Greg Tingey said...

Anon @ 9.10
Nothing to do with Nu-Liebour, sad to say.
The person to blame is the PM who famously opined: "There is no such thing as society"

Well, that is exactly what we've got right now.

Anonymous said...

Greg - yes, I agree with you. Much as I really admire MT, she wasn't perfect (who is?) and the biggest mistake she made was the one you have pointed out.

That said, Labour had three terms of office over 13 years and they have had more time than enough to "correct" any such matters, but they haven't; so clearly they agree with Mrs. T. on the subject of society.

Coney Island

Anonymous said...

"There is no such thing as society"

Could we have that quote in context please?

CI: The biggest mistake Thatcher made was not fixing the school system when we had the chance.

That is her error we are now paying the price for.

Anonymous said...

"There is no such thing as society. There is living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate."

A Londoner said...

If he is made Comm of the MET can't Boris Orde(r) his retirement sans delai?

Mr Ecks said...

Thatcher (and believe me I'm no fan of hers) made the quote to refute collectivist bullshit which has murdered millions under thg#e lie that "society" is more important that individuals. Individuals is all there are.Their relationship to others does matter but no wall exists apart from the bricks that make it.

James Higham said...

European police forces operate within a system of Roman law and act as the paramilitary wing of the central State; they are largely national rather than local and beyond any democratic accountability to local communities. Britain's police, like those in the US, arose from our unique Common Law framework and are founded on the policing principles of Robert Peel.

Now destroyed by the EU.

Gallovidian said...

Another excellent post. Totally agree, we are headed for the managed state rather than participatory democracy.

Whether a participatory democracy can still work in a multiracial society is a different matter, and indeed is part of the reason they were invited here.

Chuckles said...

Minor edit needed I think - Amend the bit - 'European police forces operate within a system of Roman law and act as the paramilitary wing of the central State;'

to read -

'European police forces (including, of course, the UK) operate within a system of Roman law and act as the paramilitary wing of the central State; (despite the UK not using such a system of Roman law)'

Elby the Beserk said...

@Greg Tingey said...

Anon @ 9.10
Nothing to do with Nu-Liebour, sad to say.
The person to blame is the PM who famously opined: "There is no such thing as society"
//

More folk who have never read the speech in which this statement occurs, a speech which is indeed most contemporaneous, in which the Iron Lady opines that there is there is no such thing as society, WITHOUT the notion of personal responsibility toi back it up. For example, I to my family, my family to the street, the street to the neighbourhood (all "concrete", the neigbourhood to "society" (conceptual).

There. But go and read it for yourself. Google will find it for you.
It was an address to a WI meeting. All the women's instituters then hit the streets, burning and a-looting, on Mrs. T's orders.

I am yet to find anyone who has quoted that statement who has had the common sense to actually read the speech. Say no more

Greg Tingey said...

I note the "tapestry of men and women" bit - but you and the loopy from Grantham are still wrong.
Why?
Because she, and you, presumably, fail to see something.
There are individuals, and they make up something larger.

It's usually called: "seeing the wood for the trees"
Or "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts"
Or supoer-additivity, caused by reinforcement.

In some science disciplines, especially the biological/ecological sections, it's referred to as "emergent behaviour" or an emergent construct.
Intelligence, for instance is very likely an emergent phenomenon.