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Sunday, 1 July 2012

Dave's 'hints' not worth a pitcher of spit

The pattern is clear. Once the right of the Tory party get a little too vociferous, when yet another round-robin letter emerges from the back benches, when the commentariat throw out warnings about the UK's continued passage through the icebergs on RMS Eu, Dave responds with a hint. Not a promise, not a commitment, just a vague, conciliatory hint to re-examine the terms of the UK's membership, to look at the options around maybe having a referendum. This is usually accompanied by an outright denial of something that hasn't even been proposed such as "... and I confirm that this government will NEVER permit the setting of UK interest rates by the ECB". For some reason I can't fathom, this quietens everything down. The Eurosceptic back benches go quiet, silly correspondents hail it as a breakthrough, or an important change in policy. 

Of course there is no change at all. Cameron is still committed to a relationship with the EU that is more than just a Free Trade Area; he remains one of the victims of the delusion that the nations of Europe must share their sovereignty to form a super-nation that challenges the US in economic power to prosper. But beset by the anti-EU mood in the country, he's striving to both occupy the popular ground and maintain the UK's membership of the club, if only as a 'lady member' not entitled to use the library or dining rooms and restricted to 6pm to 8pm in the bar.

In contrast, Liam Fox could almost be writing for UKIP today in the Telegraph. We must re-negotiate our relationship now, writes Liam, away from the political objectives and based solely on economic grounds. If the EU - whether the 26, the 17, the 10 or whatever - won't budge, won't be flexible, then we have an In-Out referendum. The clarity that eludes his leader comes easily to Fox.

And that is the point. So long as the Conservative party is led by a man who believes in his heart that the UK's place is under some form of European supra-national authority we will only sink deeper into the Euro mire.


Anonymous said...

If Liam Fox really was a man of true conviction, his conscience would not allow him to remain in an ultra pro European 'reds under the bed', or 'blue labour' Parliamentary political party. Furthermore, if Liam has seen the light only relatively recently [and like so many of his 'ilk'], then he is not to be trusted whatsoever.
The party he joined, has not changed much in 50 years and is full of; wet, socialist persuaded, middle and end of the road, crony statists.

DeeDee99 said...

Agreed. This is Cameron offering a Referendum with the objective of keeping us IN the EU. He wants the mandate which Major failed to get over Maastrict and Brown over the Lisbon Treachery.

Liam Fox may be espousing a similar line to UKIP, but he is still a member of the CON Party and a recent, but now discredited, member of Cameron's Government. His continued membership helps prop up Cameron, as do the rest of the Conservative EU-sceptics. It would only need a few prominent members to defect to break the logjam.

Anonymous said...

You are right about the "lady" moniker that you give to Cameron Raedwald...

Ladies often discuss "relationships"...

Men however, being naturally a bit autistic... discuss facts.

G. Tingey said...

Yes, it's a lying con-trick.
Why am I not suprised?

Anonymous said...

"We must re-negotiate our relationship now, writes Liam, "

There can be no 'renegotiation'. We'd like it, but the EU can't countenance it.

That is obvious, Liam Fox, supposedly a deep thinker clearly hasn't applied much thought to the matter.

And I agree with DeeDee99, the 'right wing' Tories could smash the whole thing open, if they simply said 'enough is enough, left the party that has lied through its teeth for the last forty years and set up their own party.

Pretty soon, you'd see something similar with the Labour party too.

G. Tingey said...

Not too long hence, I suspect.
A lot of my fellow allotment-hokders are old(ish)-fashioned Labour, and thier anti-EU comments are quite pungent.

strawbrick said...

But you must realise that this EU stuff is all a diversion.
The Sundays should be full of the failures at RBS, the result of off-shoring IT work, to Barclays, and others, for fraud (why no prosecutions, and why are the fraudulently earned bonuses not being clawed back) and to the very low rates of tax legally paid by the very high earners (and if some-one said to you would you like to pay less tax you would of course say "no").
Instead, the talk is of a referendum on Europe!
And if you think tit was only the LIBOR part of Barclays that was out of control then you need to think again!

Anonymous said...

The Labour party is about to have a massive schism towards the hard left - Unite are planning to fund 5000 local activists working on Unite's agenda rather than being Labour party activists...

Dan Hodges in the Telegraph has covered this...

Anonymous said...

Anon: "The Labour party is about to have a massive schism"

Good, I could vote for a new party that had Frank Field and someone like John Redwood together.

Then I'd expect to see Ken Clarke and Diane Abbot trying to find common ground - both deserve each other.

One thing is certain, there is no room for the likes of Ken Clarke in any party I'd be prepared to vote for.

Durotrigan said...

As with Miliband's recent speeches on Englishness and mass immigration, Cameron's article on the EU and a 'referendum' is merely a sop to alienated party supporters intended to give the impression that he will act on the issue - in this case hold out the prospect of a referendum on EU membership - without having any intention of doing so. After all, he baldly states that he wishes the UK to remain within the EU, so he can't really get any plainer than that.

A significant factor influencing the appearance of this article seems to be concern over the recent growth of support for UKIP nationally, for that party often now eclipses the Liberal Democrats by scoring up to 9% in opinion polls. Although this is not sufficient to secure a Westminster breakthrough for UKIP, it could easily be enough to deny the Conservatives a considerable number of seats at a General Election.

Woodsy42 said...

UKIP could well hold a balance of power in the reformed house of lords if it's done as being suggested.
That looks like a glimmer athe end of the tunnel to me. It would shake the main parties up if nothing else!

Anonymous said...

Why do I get the feeling that we are being had. The politicians are playing games. Whether it is Merkel, Hollande, all the EU big whigs, Rompuy,Barroso, Mario, etal.

They are having a grand time basking in the media spotlight. What more could a politician ask, as the media hang on their words day in and day out. This is paradise for a politician. Its not every day that faceless unelected EU commissioners get a chance to play big time.

Will anything come of all this? I doubt it. Will the Euro or the EU fall? I doubt it. There is too much at stake in Europe and internationally. I dont think America, China, Japan, Russia, or anyone else would like to see the EU/Euro collapse.

All this will die down, and the markets will adjust to it.