Wednesday, 7 May 2014

EU-shill Con Coughlin writes drivel again

One must have to be both wilfully stupid and amazingly gullible to get the defence correspondent's job on the Telegraph these days; EU shill Con Coughlin, perhaps repeating what some bloke told him in a bar, writes today;
"The military professionalism of the pro-Russian agitators, which has seen them shoot down several Ukrainian helicopters with shoulder-launched missiles, also suggests these fighters are no amateurs, and in all probability are members of Russia's elite Spetsnaz special forces."
Firstly, 'shoulder launched missiles' sounds as though they were using some sort of infra-red guided homing surface to air missile such as the US 'stinger' ($250k each) or the Russian 9K38 ($75k each). In fact, all the helos destroyed were stationary or very slow moving and close to the ground, operating in wooded or built-up areas - making it far more likely they were destroyed using the RPG7, a standard eastern-bloc infantry weapon produced cheaply in the hundreds of thousands for a couple of hundred dollars each that can be fired by untrained guerillas the world over with a few minutes instruction - a weapon any Ukrainian who had done their military service would be familiar with. An average squaddie can expect to hit a 5m x 2.5m moving target at 180m range first shot 50% of the time - rising to 96% probability at 100m range. 

So, the weapon was almost certainly a tube-launched grenade powered by gunpowder propellant rather than a missile, fired by an amateur fighter or one who has received a very basic military training rather than a professional, and in all probability was fired by a Ukranian militiaman not a Spetsnaz expert. 

Perhaps if the editor got Con to file his stories before lunch the quality might improve.

6 comments:

mkebrvo said...

Whilst I would agree that Con C is a prat of the first order I would say that when I saw a couple of photos of the pro Russian forces exiting some helicopters they did look like they knew what they were doing. Conscripts do not get much heli-exfil training.

Thud said...

A quick youtube search shows one or more helicopters falling from an altitude I reckon to be way beyondttrfcet rpg range, perhaps somebody better qualified could illuminate.

mikebravo said...

"The RPG-7V requires a well-trained gunner to estimate ranges and lead distances for moving targets. Crosswinds as low as 7 miles per hour can complicate the gunner's estimate and reduce first-round hit probability to 50% at ranges beyond 180 meters".
It is always difficult to estimate range at height as there are no markers or other objects to go by.
Possible but difficult with an RPG I would say. Particularly for the untrained. I am sure that there are plenty of pro Russian RPG trained Ukrainians though.

Raedwald said...

see https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ctH57Xi4aH8 - low, hovering Mi24 well within RPG7 range - and the flash is consistent with an RPG7 size warhead

One helo over Slavyansk was brought down by machine gun fire - which also indicates a slow target at close range

Mike Spilligan said...

Coughlin writes what he's told to, or (probably) lose his job. There are two aspects that are of concern: there seems to be no contrary view from any of the MSM, which might indicate more than just laziness; and the 500k readers of the print Telegraph don't see the overwhelmingly opposing comments.

Weekend Yachtsman said...

On weapons-geekery, I think Richard North would probably be the man to ask...