Friday, 12 September 2014

The old Party Politics are finished

Whatever the result of next Thursday's referendum, the one certainty is that politics in the UK as we know it - the old, stable 2 1/2 party system - is over. The political dinosaur may take a while to die - it may be after May 2015 before the message gets from tail to head - but dead it is. Which is why you will see Cameron, Clegg and Miliband doing more than ever to pretend it isn't - they really don't know what else to do. 

The Party conference season will be soon upon us - that annual con-trick ably aided by the BBC that pretends that the 120 elderly and unemployed people huddled in the front rows of some vast and otherwise vacant venue are a mass party membership in plenary session. It would be too, too humiliating for Cameron to admit that with a party membership down to 60,000 from 2,000,000 in the 1950s that he could probably have his annual conference in the upstairs function room at the Dog and Duck. And by the way, more than a million of those Tory members were lost after 1979 during the Thatcher years. The combined membership of all the main parties is now far less than 1% of the UK electorate. 

And the parties - particularly Labour - have not just been complacent but have been complicit in electoral fraud. Our standards of electoral probity are way outside established democratic standards, particularly with regard to the EQ or electoral quotient. Scotland has been particularly guilty of running rotten boroughs and one way or another - either by independence, which will eliminate the problem, or a federalist system that sees at at least half of Scotland's MPs culled - this must end. 

That IPSA imagine that is a suitable time to announce a 10% pay rise for MPs underlines just how far away from reality the fools of the political class are operating. We loathe them more than ever, and in Scotland they're realising just how close they all are to being strung-up from the lamp columns. Tip: It's not just Scotland.


Sackerson said...

The system of elections to the Scottish Parliament gives a much fairer relationship of votes cast to seats gained; the UK parliament could learn from it (probably has, which could be why they haven't done it).

Anonymous said...

You are right that pols are widely despised. The question is why, not all are venal fools but somehow that is how they appear en mass. One problem is that things don't seem well run, the regulators seem culpably behind the curve on finance, social services, police and so much else. Then there is the state versus private dichotomy, if the state runs things we get incompetence and self serving, if the private sector runs things we get secrecy and gaming the system. I suspect government knows this but finds addressing the issues too inconvenient.

Then there is the economy, every developed nation is having a hard time with growth, the demographics of the world are driving this, we compete on a global stage and most of Western Europe is overpaid for what it does, that is being wound down. This leaves a problem with some at the bottom being unemployable, the skilled being under utilised and a large number of over rewarded but unproductive workers. Inconvenient to change this.

Industry learned in the '70s that using inspectors to achieve quality was a fast route to bankruptcy, government has not yet learned this lesson.

DeeDee99 said...

I expect that Cameron (in particular) is only just waking up to the message that Carswell gave him a couple of weeks ago.

It's too late: UKIP has been giving out that message consistently for the past 4 years and boy oh boy is it resonating.

The British Establishment has created the conditions it is now completely unprepared to deal with: by ignoring the opinions of the British people and transferring our Sovereignty to the EU without a mandate.

They deserve what's coming....

Anonymous said...

DeeDee99 said @ 10:27

'They deserve what's coming..'

But do we?

Qualitatively speaking we're in decline. The days when you could guess an outcome with some measure of certainty are now well and truly gone. I remember Gordon Brown saying when he was Prime Minister that this is a "society in flux", and the context was Globalization and the movement of populations.

As you say, they 'created the conditions' and we, all of us, will cop for it. Tearing a settled society apart does not a happy country make. The century ahead will be mayhem for Albion as expanding and competing ethnic groups fight it out to be top dog.

After two world wars we didn't deserve such and end. I've cried more than once for the children of my children's children.


Anonymous said...

Open primaries, after the election of Sarah Wollaston, are unlikely to be repeated as the produce, well, independent-minded people. The disaffected are disengaged and the Establishment are lucky they are not, at the moment, enraged. But if the cack-handed rewriting of a three-hundred year informal constitution in three months falls at the hurdles, this farce of a referendum will be seen as comparative light relief to what follows. The concept of political instability may be a new one for the UK, but we (and the markets) may have to learn to live with it.

Anonymous said...

"The Party conference season will be soon upon us - that annual con-trick ably aided by the BBC .."

Suggest in future it be referred to as,

"The annual Party con-trick season".

Sebastian Weetabix said...

We hate them because, fundamentally, it doesn't matter who you vote for - nothing changes. That's because our real government is in Brussels, which cannot be voted out, and the tossers in Westminster are just for show. Sadly most people haven't figured this out yet and the nonentities in London aren't going to start admitting it for the obvious reason we might want to stop their little gravy train.

In Scotland this allows the scum in the SNP to tell - ahem - "low information voters" that it's all the fault of the English. Salmond doesn't want to remind people of the SNP's racist, fascist origins in blood-and-earth nationalism of the 1930s so he uses code words like "Tory" and "Westminster", but everyone in Scotland knows what he really means.

The EU is steadily, slowly, relentlessly destroying the civic peace in Europe.

Demetrius said...

We have no voting issues. As with a lot of other OAP's on postal votes a nice man from the Lib Dem's calls to take care of it all for us.

Budgie said...

As I have believed for some time Scotland will secede from the UK. One immediate consequence, whether yes or no, will be riots. The nationalist yobs will be out on the streets celebrating or proving sore losers. They will exact retribution on businesses that warned of dire consequences in the case of Scottish independence.

The Union has been damaged whatever the outcome. Part of the blame lies with the (largely English) UK establishment suppressing UK nationalism; Scottish nationalism has had no competition.

G. Tingey said...

Yes ... my local (Labour) MP is very good she really tries to represent her constituents, she does a good job, but, on some issues, she really doesn't get it.
She, for all her good works & good intentions is part of the problem not the solution.
She is trying for a slightly different version of "More of the same"
And it ain't going to work.
I've tried to tell her, & I'm going to have another go next week, but I'm not holding out much hope.

I was fascinated to hear Farage calling for a total re-make of our system, with Devo-Max for everyone & a federated United Isles, to obliterate the mistakes of the past ...

I hate to admit it, but well said.
The labelling of SNP as "socialist" is entirely false - they are founded on hate.
And, of course, I able to get to Westminster in 40 minutes from my front door, are as disenchanted as any Scottish voter - but the Westminster establishment cant/won't admit that.
See also Budgie.
I also think it is going to get nasty.

Sebastian Weetabix said...

We must stop agreeing, Tingey. It's upsetting my equilibrium!

Cascadian said...

The old parties are finished, I doubt that the old party politics are finished.
camorons destructive powers will ensure a collapse of support in the next general election, it can happen amazingly fast once peoples confidence evaporates. In Canada the progressive conservatives, a pinko collection trying to appeal to the middle ground went from 169 MPs to 2 MPs in successive elections-they never recovered. There was just no need to vote for them.
Likewise liebour are in a perilous position and bleeding votes to UKIP amongst their older traditional voters who have waited a lifetime to see improvement only to to be ignored while trendier cohorts were appeased.
It would be a very good thing for both parties to expire.
As to stringing up MP's that is so much internet rhetoric, though the application of eggs and rotten tomatoes seems to once again be in vogue-a very good idea.

Nathan Brittles said...

Sorry, Tingey but all socialism is founded on hate. Therefore the SNP are proprly labelled

Gordon the Fence Post Tortoise said...

Blimey ...

In which George Galloway appears to agree with our esteemed host - sortof...

Bang on the head seemed to knock some sense in ... perhaps a few more are in order?

G. Tingey said...

Unless you conflate democratic socialism with the religion of communism.
They are very very different beasties, actually.