Sunday, 19 October 2014

Pope doing OK

It will hardly come as a surprise that the Vatican has decided that thieves should be forgiven and loved, but that theft should not be legalised. Indeed, as about half of catholic clergy are inclined to theft and their sinfulness and frailty makes them better, not worse pastors and shepherds, and as Christ himself was crucified between thieves, the church can hardly have decided anything different. 

Pope Francis has taken all the right steps. Last year he invited lay Catholics across the world to voice their opinions on a whole range of matters, including their feelings about thieves. Despite determined attempts by many bishops to distort and skew the process - with some episcopal blocking moves the equivalent of distributing a 60 page questionnaire written in Latin in very small print in light grey ink - the voice of worldwide Catholicism has reached the Papal bedsit. Last week was the bishops' turn to show that they heard and understood the voice of the flock. They had a shouty bit, agreed to disagree and decided to take a year to think about things. So far so good. 

Lay feelings are generally liberal towards theft. Most people reckon that thieves should not be persecuted, but wouldn't want their own children learning to steal, and would prefer stealing to be private rather than public. African Catholics detest stealing, and many want a return to the days of nose-slitting and ear removal for convicted thieves. 

All of which is unlikely to change the Church's current teaching - that many good people are tempted to steal, and the temptation to theft is widespread. Having a thieving tendency should be no bar to holy orders so long as one refrains from stealing. And in the event that the temptation proves too strong for human flesh to resist, there is forgiveness and a prodigal welcome for the repentant. 

(Dons kevlar hat ...)


G. Tingey said...

Much more importantly, they (the RC hierarchy) have decide to remain in the 12th Century
NO birth-control
NO marriage of clergy
NO admission of divorcees.

After all, keeping control of reproduction, by supposedly celibate men is such a sensible idea, isn't it?


mikebravo said...

I thought the punishment for breaking any of the 10 commandments was death (in biblical time obviously).
The handwringers have taken over and it will be all down hill to Sodom.

Anonymous said...

Nicely put! The BBC, naturally, has made a huge song & dance about a clique of largely American liberal clerics hoping to bounce the Pope into more acceptance of "theft" and unbiblical "practices" which they want to make normal. However, this is not surprising, as the BBC is full of "theft" advocates who will push the line wherever and whenever they get the opportunity.

Anonymous said...

I alus wondered why me da called me the "prodigal one". But I will return, I never really went away. Though, my mam still prefers "black sheep".

St. Mark, had it about right:

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

Always remember, you can't take it with you either.

G. Tingey said...

Unbiblical practices?
Like eating chicken with milk, or wearing clothes made from two fibres or not obeying your parents implicity at all times or .....
Any other collection of nonsense from a collection of Bronze-Age goatherders' myths hey?

WHICH "10 commandments"?
I know of at least two (& according to some commentators THREE) different sets of those.
More brainwashed religious claptrap.


Anonymous said...

"all down hill to Sodom"

All? All except the gardening (which is uphill)!

Sebastian Weetabix said...

You might like to consider that almost universal adoption of 'modern' liberal views and values in the west has led to a situation whereby in 50 years' time all our major cities will have significant muslim majorities, partly due to the 250,000 casual abortions we have every year. Perhaps Wojtyla's critique of the "culture of death" has some merit to it. Your descendants will be truly fucked, Mr Tingey - assuming of course that you have any. You give every impression of geing a dedicated follower of Onan. Even grown ups may disagree with you, you know.

mikebravo said...

You are so predictable tingey but I managed to avoid your CAPS artillery. However I am particularly fond of the idea of executing miscreants for not observing the Sabbath and uphill gardening, as posited by Anon.

G. Tingey said...

All it requires is two of the things that the RC church also opposes - women's education & ready access to contraception.
[ My wife & I have the "rhesus gene" problem & she is allergy-sensitive - children would be a VERY BAD idea - like how to kill her in one easy lesson ]

Are you a biblical literalist then?
are you really that brainfucked?
How old is the Earth?
How did humanity come about?
Where are the places that $BigSky Fairy keeps the winds? ( "book of Job" IIRC )

And you did NOT answer the question, did you - which version of the "10 commandments"?
With or without: "thou shalt not worship any graven image" - which is not in the RC version, but is in the protestant one ....

mikebravo said...

Are you really this dumb?
The earth is 6,400 years old, humanity came about on the 6th day and the SkyFairy keeps the wind in his big white beard.
As to which version - the original and true one written on 2 stone tablets.

Sebastian Weetabix said...

Tingey really is a brain dead cunt of the first water. It's a deformation professionelle due to being in the teaching "profession". Used to bullying 8 year olds, he now argues like one.

Anonymous said...

Nope, I am guessing he used to be a committed and devout Christian, it worse than being a former smoker - you hate everyone that bit more, it's a tough place to be.

There's room for us all, it's a big place.

This is not immaturity, it is malformed and maleficent.

What causes utter vexation, Wahhabists don't show any human compassion.

How can people teach children and immature adults such loathsome, intolerant, misanthropic filth?

Moreover, does that anti mankind streak - not in itself speak volumes for such a collection of ranting cretinous dogmas?

Budgie said...

SW, I know this is cruel to observe, but G Tingey appears oblivious to the fact that his manner is identical to the ranting preachers he claims to hate. "O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!" But it does apply to us all; and I don't think I could cope with it.

G. Tingey said...

Plenty of personal abuse out there.
No actual, you know, answers I note.

Almost - I escaped chritianity in the last few seconds of the 59th minute of the 11th hour, actually.
The brainwashing almost took - it was that close.
SW knows quite well that I used to teach maths, science & some physics to 11-18 year olds, so he is lying again.

Sebastian Weetabix said...

I beg your pardon - you were bullying 14 year olds, like Brian Glover in Kes. I stand corrected.