Sunday, 24 May 2015

Catholic Church and direct democracy

The Irish referendum result has placed an elephant in the forthcoming Synod. It may be that the Church's betrayal of the laity which makes it more likely that the two words that greet a priest will be 'Dirrty fecker' and not 'Hello Father', that this betrayal invited what many correspondents see as a kicking, or that the Church has lost the moral leadership of Ireland, or that Irish humanism triumphed over myth and superstition. Take your pick. 

The Catholic church will continue to oppose gay marriage, abortion, divorce, IVF and promiscuity in exactly the same way it opposes theft, murder, idolatry and adultery - on doctrinal grounds, that such things are moral absolutes. There is no room for moral relativism in doctrine. At the same time, people generally want to cast the church in the role of leaders in social justice - and of a variety of social justice that holds that love trumps all. People want a church that defends what they do, whether 'right' or 'wrong'. The challenge that faces Synod this October is that this is unknown territory for the Catholic church - a rigidly hierarchical organisation that has never accommodated direct democracy. 

The Catholic church and the Labour party will both be contemplating their futures this weekend in an age in which rule by centralist diktat, of command and control, has lost legitimacy amongst people who reserve their right to make their own minds up on individual issues. Neither can flourish in an era of direct democracy. Let's see which one cracks first.


Dave_G said...

What consideration could we place on this being a deliberate attempt to destabilise the Church as a 'political' threat to the NWO?

The enforcement of issues contrary to doctrine is obviously undermining the church as voice within the political infrastructure of most modern western countries, nullifying a potential voice of objection to the changes being forced on the population.

Dean Ditchbank said...

People were enraged that the Church hierarchy had been infiltrated by sodomites, pederasts and their accomplices, who covered up for each other. Now they want their sodomites out in the open. OK, I understand that.
But now enforced celebration of sodomy? Don't you dare hesitate when your cake shop customer demands your public approval of their own private lifestyle choices? Sell them their 'wedding cake' or they'll call the police on you?
I don't understand what is going on here. But it looks as though what was once just furtive personal libertinism is turning totalitarian. It's either a new hierarchy and new morality, or the same old gay brotherhood in new guise, but the hectoring and bullying is unchanged. Does anyone worry about the protection of children - particularly in education, Boy scouts etc, when there is no sanction, not even of shame, because the new morality has done away with shame?
The bottom line here is surely Ireland's crashing birth rate. The Irish don't really believe in themselves anymore. I think they should though

Martin said...

While there has been much in the media about the principle of gay marriage in Ireland, I have seen nothing about where our gay Irish friends actually intend to get married. Somehow I can't see the Catholic Church being willing to conduct such ceremonies.

Edward Spalton said...

I recall the very outspoken song which began

" in Glendalough live an auld Saint,
Renowned for his learning and piety.
His habits were curious and quaint
And he looked upon girls with disparity"

It seems that things have been made to suit him.

What if clergy exercise their constitutional right to marry same-sex partners? Will the Church be able to discriminate against them on that account?
And when, inevitably, some Gay divorces occur, what then?
A case for the Jeduits perhaps?

anon 2 said...

Or is there something wrong the way somebody or other counts the Irish ballots?

Hard to forget how easily those people produced the 'correct' answer to their eussr referendum (the second one, that is).

G. Tingey said...

I was brought up an evangelical Protestant - the vicar was often on about how bad (or even evil) the RC church was.
Mow, as an atheist, & having read quite a bit of history, I know that the RC church was & is evil.
Mind you J Calvin was also a murderous bastard .....

Ireland has come closer to becoming a civilised country - good.