Saturday, 20 June 2015

Cameron sets Islamist test

In a hard-hitting and very welcome speech in Slovakia on the 19th, Cameron set out seven tests that define an Islamist extremist - whom he has previously termed enemies of the British people. British Moslems this weekend will need to look very hard at themselves and at each other - for their British neighbours will now surely be evaluating everything they say and do against Cameron's check list. All Moslems in the UK should test themselves; "Do you believe that:-
  • The West is bad - In contrast to immigrants who want to be part of the Western life, a society at the apex of two thousand years of social and economic development, enemies of the nation hate our culture and seek only to exploit and undermine it
  • Democracy is wrong - Extremists believe that our democratic framework is mistaken and that only the Quran and its interpreters, the imams, should dictate law and policy; Islamist dog Anjem Choudary recently harangued British Moslems against voting in the 2015 elections as 'UnIslamic'
  • Women are inferior to men - This gross stupdity lies at the heart of Islamism. They use it to justify forced marriage, child sex abuse, domestic violence, unequal opportunity in the workplace and to silence the voices of a half of our people. Morons. 
  • Homosexuality is evil - Many Christians legitimately believe homosexuality to be disordered and unnatural behaviour, yet tolerate those who choose this life. Islamists go far beyond this; If you think throwing gay men off high buildings is justified, as ISIS are doing, you're an Islamist.
  • Islamic doctrine trumps British law - There is no place for the Quran, or Sharia, in British life. We have a set of laws that is both comprehensive and complete in themself and governs fairly the conduct of all our lives. British law is not trumped by any other.
  • The Caliphate trumps the British realm - Those who foolishly imagine it is legitimate to support an insurrectionist sect against the British realm are already guilty of Sedition; to act on this belief makes it treasonous.
  • Violence is justified -  To believe that violence is justified in achieving one or more of the false tenets above is the mark of an enemy of my country. 
If any Moslem in the UK scores three or more, they should get themselves out of here pronto and detonate themselves in some lonely patch of desert on the road to Hell. Now we know officially the signs of the Islamist extremist dogs that threaten our nation, we will come for you; our police and our security services will watch you and catch you. Your time is limited.


Anonymous said...

Be interesting, then, to see how long Choudary remains at liberty. Now there's an immediate test for Cameron's new-found spine.

john cheshire said...

I'll believe Mr Cameron is serious when he starts to put his words into actions, otherwise that's all they are, just empty words. As an observation, though, if the bbc were to be measured against these criteria, I think they'd be found wanting.

DeeDee99 said...

When they start tackling the extremism in Muslim Faith Schools, I'll believe Cameron means business.

A faith school that requires young girls to cover their hair and wear body covering clothing is extremist. All the Koran requires is for women to dress modestly .... not cover up. Traditional British school uniforms are all "modest."

Gordon the Fence Post Tortoise said...

John Cheshire

heh ... The BBC? ... that's going to be interesting :-)

Boots on the ground is what we need ... BBC reporters actually in ISIS controlled regions. Against their humans rights more likely than not - no alcohol, no nice hotels, no restaurants and the possibility of an unfortunate demise if they don't exactly produce what their hosts want.

I am so fed up with the BBC projecting their distorted agenda + putting everything through their PC filtering sausage machine.

I'm not wanting much - just some unvarnished reportage - which is wa-ay more than the goons have been capable of delivering for years....

Raedwald said...

Now that we have the 'official' list of extremist characteristics, the next step is for lawful citizens to 'lay an information' before magistrates requesting a named individual be charged with relevant offences; bypass the police and go back to the old ways of bringing malfactors to justice.

Anonymous said...

Really Raedwald, you haven't read your Koran, or have misinterpreted it. When Mohammed (shit be upon him) took dictation from Gabriel he wrote down exactly what he was told. It is modern Muslims who have wilfully misinterpreted the writings, leading to the situation described in Point No 4 above.

He was told that gay men in high places were to be tossed off, not that gay men should be tossed off high places!

Mr Ecks said...

Camorgueron is an empty jug. The wind (prob from all the rich meals) blows past the jug's neck and makes a noise from time to time. That is the extent of BlueBalless's commitment. He never met a promise he didn't break.

Dean Ditchbank said...

Two points missing, I think.
One is demography. The other is the fact that they are a cult that drill hatred for the modern world into their children and into one another five times daily during ramadan. As they grow more numerous, and long before they are anywhere near a majority, the moderate, slow burn Islam that will overcome us. They won't need to use violence. We won't have the numbers, confidence in our own cultural identity or will power to resist them.
Legislate against this cult now. Public ceremonies in which they publicly disassociate themselves from the name Mohammed - or the removal of citizenship and severe curtailment of their freedoms, with financial penalties - or departure elsewhere. They are foreign aliens in a time of war, their war against us.

Raedwald, tell us more about laying an information before magistrates

Dean Ditchbank said...

David Cameron made this speech in SLOVAKIA?? Wake me when he makes the speech in Rochdale, Dewsbury etc. Ramadan would be a good moment to do so

James Higham said...

Do I detect a certain warmth of feeling in that post, Radders?

Anonymous said...

James Higham said @ 16:12

'Do I detect a certain warmth of feeling in that post, Radders?'

Probably. The problem with Dave is he's PR man at heart. Selling things is ok, it's to commerce what the wheel was to carrying stuff, but Dave sells lies and only cowards do that. Cameron is a dissembler and like all dissemblers they come unstuck when reality catches up. At the moment he's trying to negotiate what amounts to a treaty change with Brussels. But he isn't because he knows he won't get anything like what the public wants. The spin factor is the difference between what he says he got and what he actually got.

You can't cure cancer with snake oil but Dave will still try to sell you a bottle, or two.


Cascadian said...

Well said Dean Ditchbank, we all know camoron will never mouth these words in yUK.

From the BBC report, wobbly dave says...."The question is: How do people arrive at this worldview?"....quite simple davey, at the mosques and madrassahs they preach violence several times a day.Your government supports this with tax money, when will you remove that money to facilitate the collapse of these evil institutions?.

What will the camoron do about this? NOTHING, just like his promise to remove passports from jihadists returning, just like his promise to prevent the return of jihadists to yUK. Davey as a PR flak believes talking about stuff is doing something as opposed to the realists who recognize that gum-flapping achieves NOTHING.camoron and ms maybe have no credibility.

Anonymous said...

Part I

Blah, Blah, blah - Dave said this before in Munich November 2011:


And I say this is an indictment of our approach to these issues in the past.

And if we are to defeat this threat, I believe it's time to turn the page on the failed policies of the past.

So first, instead of ignoring this extremist ideology, we – as governments and societies – have got to confront it, in all its forms.

And second, instead of encouraging people to live apart, we need a clear sense of shared national identity, open to everyone.

Let me briefly take each in turn.
Tackle all forms of extremism

First, confronting and undermining his ideology.

Whether they are violent in their means or not, we must make it impossible for the extremists to succeed.

For governments, there are obvious ways we can do that.

We must ban preachers of hate from coming to our countries.

We must also proscribe organisations that incite terrorism – against people at home and abroad.

Governments must also be shrewder in dealing with those that, while not violent, are certainly, in some cases, part of the problem.

We need to think much harder about who it's in the public interest to work with.

Some organisations that seek to present themselves as a gateway to the Muslim community are showered with public money despite doing little to combat extremism.

As others have observed, this is like turning to a right-wing fascist party to fight a violent white supremacist movement.

So let's properly judge these organisations:

Do they believe in universal human rights – including for women and people of other faiths?

Do they believe in equality of all before the law?

Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government?

Do they encourage integration or separatism?

These are the sorts of questions we need to ask.

Fail these tests and the presumption should be not to engage with organisations.

No public money. No sharing of platforms with Ministers at home.

At the same time, we must stop these groups from reaching people in publicly funded institutions – like universities and prisons.

Some say: this is incompatible with free speech and intellectual inquiry.

I say: would you take the same view if right-wing extremists were recruiting on campuses?

Would you advocate inaction if Christian fundamentalists who believe Muslims are the enemy were leading prayer groups in prison?

And to those who say these non-violent extremists are helping to keep young, vulnerable men away from violence, I say nonsense.

Would you allow the far right groups a share of public funds if they promise to lure young white men away from fascist terrorism?

But, at root, challenging this ideology means exposing its ideas for what they are -completely unjustifiable.

We need to argue that terrorism is wrong – in all circumstances.

We need to argue that their prophecies of a global war of religion pitting Muslims against the rest of the world are rubbish.

Governments cannot do this alone.

The extremism we face is a distortion of Islam so these arguments, in part, must be made by those within Islam.

So let's give voice to those followers of Islam in our own countries – the vast often unheard majority – who despise the extremists and their worldview.

Let's engage groups that share our aspirations.
Stronger citizenship

continued below........

Anonymous said...

Part II:

[...]Second, we must build stronger societies and identities at home.

Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism.

A passively tolerant society says to its citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone.

It stands neutral between different values. A genuinely liberal country does much more.

It believes in certain values and actively promotes them.

Freedom of speech. Freedom of worship. Democracy. The rule of law. Equal rights regardless of race, sex or sexuality.

It says to its citizens: this is what defines us as a society.

To belong here is to believe in these things.

Each of us in our own countries must be unambiguous and hard-nosed about this defence of our liberty.

There are practical things we can do as well.

That includes making sure immigrants speak the language of their new home.

And ensuring that people are educated in elements of a common culture and curriculum.

Back home, we are introducing National Citizen Service – a two-month programme for sixteen year-olds from different backgrounds to live and work together.

I also believe we should encourage meaningful and active participation in society, by shifting the balance of power, away from the state and to people.

That way common purpose can be formed, as people come together and work together in their neighbourhoods.

It will also help build stronger pride in local identity so people feel free to say yes, I am a Muslim, I am a Hindu, I am Christian but I am also a Londoner or a Berliner, too.

It's that identity – that feeling of belonging in our countries that is the key to achieving true cohesion.

Let me end with this. This terrorism is completely indiscriminate and has been thrust upon us.

It can't be ignored or contained.

We need to confront it with confidence.

Confront the ideology that drives it by defeating the ideas that warp so many minds at their root.

And confront the issues of identity that sustain it by standing for a much broader and generous vision of citizenship in our countries.

None of this will be easy. We need stamina, patience and endurance. And it won't happen at all if we act alone.

This ideology crosses continents – we are all in this together.

At stake are not just lives, it's our way of life.

That's why this is a challenge we cannot avoid – and one we must meet.

Bullshit DAVE - you and your surrender monkeys, in the; executive, tory wisteria mansions, the wankers of Brussels - the federalists.

FFS, where, the authorities who turn the blind eye by the fucking day - are the problem. The other problem - Common Purpose permeating education - teaching British kids to hate their own country. Cultural Marxist doctinaires run the institutions of state and thus are allowing Islam free rein - it's filth polluting every facet of British life. At the stem of it all is, Saudi Arabia and Wahhabism the cult of death runs the nation by proxy.

Hollow words from a fuckwit collaborator - are just that.

Yokel said...

Whatever Cameron bloviates, all the "anti-extremism" legislation will in fact be used to put down Christianity, which is the common threat to Islam, Marxism, Common Purpose, et al. Robert Spencer makes the point here:

G. Tingey said...

Oh dear ...
"The West is Bad"
No problem at all wit that point - you are correct
"Democracy is wrong"
Well, neither the RC church, nor Jean Calvin have or had any time for democracy - the rule of "the saints" is the way to go, isn't it?
"Women are inferior to men"
Identical to Saul of Tarsus, oh dear.
"Homosexuality is evil"
Ask any preist, of any sort in N Ireland about thsi ( unless you are referring to the priests' own activities, of course.....
"Islamic/Christian doctrine trumps British Law" ... see Pope (I think) Pius V, approx 1583, when GLoriana was excommunicated?
"The Caliphate trumps British realm"
See the above ... however, if we have secular law, wer can apply the same measures as Walsingham used, post 1583, as above - NOT a problem.
"Violence is justified" ...
Again, agree entirely.

Now what?

Oh & NOT all muslims are the same, any more than all christians.
ALL are deluded loonies, but most are harmless, & some are really dangerous.

THINK 1583!

Or 1605 ... after all, the Gunpowder Plot was exposed by a Catholic - Lord Monteagle ....

Weekend Yachtsman said...

"...we will come for you; our police and our security services will watch you and catch you. Your time is limited."

If you believe that, you'll believe anything.

In fact, our* police and security services will watch them, and do nothing for fear of being accused of racism.

* And they're not really ours any more, are they? They answer to the political class, not to us.