Monday, 6 July 2015

Unelected EU officials Juncker, Schulz left looking like prats

Unelected EU chief official JC Juncker and MEP M Schulz, voted 'President of the MEPs' by his colleagues, are left looking like prats this morning over their previous Greek pronouncements.

Juncker claimed a 'No' vote would be a rejection of the EU, a view not shared by the democratically elected President of France, to name one. Juncker now faces having to eat his words as the elected leaders of the EU's nation states work out how to keep Greece in the club.

Schulz was insisting yesterday that a 'No' vote meant automatic expulsion from the Eurozone; he now faces having to admit talking bollocks as EU nations go all-out to find a way of retaining Greek membership of the currency zone. 

Most of all, these unelected, anti-democratic Brussels bureaucrats have had a full load of democracy fired at them through both barrels - and they hate it. They themselves have no electoral or popular mandate, and they resent any elected politician that does. Greece's experiment in direct democracy was a denial of everything the EU Federation stands for. 

And as much as these unelected Euro officials may spitefully wish misery and poverty on the people of Greece, I suspect that Europe's democratically elected leaders may have a different view. Let's see what the next 48 hours brings. 

12 comments:

Gordon the Fence Post Tortoise said...
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Gordon the Fence Post Tortoise said...

Given the bureaucrats history of contriving "beneficial" crises - yes, it's going to be worth watching.

Then of course - there's their appetite for repeating the question until the electorate caves in - as in Ireland.

An unwanted outcome for the bureaucrats.... what will they do? What will Draghi and his banker chums do? What have Goldman Sachs / the Merkans and finally - the Swiss whose banks were bulging with Greek Euros? - been doing? Is it true that warehouses are already full of pre-printed Drachmae?

Frau Merkel / Germany has a haircut ?

Weekend Yachtsman said...

It's all too delicious.

The EU bosses must now either give the Greeks what they want (absurd though that undoubtedly is) or see their precious "Project" in serious jeopardy.

How they must hate democracy!

(But we already knew that).

Will they demand the the Greeks re-run the referendum, I wonder? I am not sure if even their arrogance stretches that far.

right_writes said...

The Irish have always been a rebellious bunch, and they capitulated...

Ditto the Greeks, however, they have already had repeated referendums, and the imposition of a dictatorship (aka troika... in BBC talk!)...

So I reckon that a repeat of any of these methods might well meet with the beginnings of a Yugoslav type of response from ordinary folk, led by a few red-blooded, alcohol fuelled army types.

The official army and the police have been put under a lot of pressure there recently, and I suspect that they do not have much of a taste for backing the sodding krauts.

With a bit of luck, they have rumbled the NWO and they will have to think of another way...

...and then I woke up.

DeeDee99 said...

Well done to the Greeks for standing up to the EU bullies. The EU was attempting for force regime change - and failed. Now it is dealing with a Greek government with an even stronger mandate.

So many Greeks said they were voting for Democracy ..... they are well aware that the EU has been dictating to them and was trying to depose a democratically elected government which didn't suit the Kommissars.

If the Greeks can do it.... surely we can as well.

G. Tingey said...

Most of all, these unelected, anti-democratic Brussels bureaucrats have had a full load of democracy fired at them through both barrels - and they hate it. They themselves have no electoral or popular mandate, and they resent any elected politician that does. Greece's experiment in direct democracy was a denial of everything the EU Federation stands for.

Agree with every word.
However & also:

Well, we can now see what happens when a US-style libertarian regime runs a whole state, can't we?

Don't pay any taxes if you can avoid it
If you do get forced into paying taxes - CHEAT
Keep all your money.
That is almost exactly what has happened in Greece.

Though I also blame the Eurocrats.

They knew perfectly well that Greece was not meeting & could not possibly meet the conditions for that state joining the "Eurozone"
So, they pretended & lied, to themselves, each other & everyone else that Greece DID meet those conditions ...
Assuming, that if anything actually did go wrong, they could use economic levers & plain old-fashioned bullying to ensure that the Greeks did as they were told by the unelected, unaccountable apparatchiks in Brussel & Strasbourg. If necessary by bringing a democratically-elected guvmint down, or hitting them with referenda until they gave in - after all it had worked before, hadn't it(?)

Oops, as the saying goes.
Serve all of them right, I'm afraid.

Also, leading German economist/Banker on radio this AM ... he was still in favour, of course, of "getting the money back" - BUT - very importantly.
Realised that that was a wish-dream & that all that money was sunk & lost &, effectively... "We will have to live with it"
Refreshingly practical.

On a lighter note - I'm off to Germany in tow weeks time for some beer-consumption (& dancing) - how late should I leave before getting my Euros, & will they be down to 50p by then?
If so, then YIIPPPEEE !!

bakko said...

Excellent outcome, they were probably remembering Kalavyrta.

Cuffleyburgers said...

Greg Tingey - I am staggered that you think the Greek regime resembles in any way an American libertarian regime.

Libertarianism is all about obeying the rule of law, but there would be fewer laws and many activities which are currently stupidly forbidden, would be legal.

More importantly the wholesale criminality and corruption in office that we see in Greece has nothing whatever to do with libertarianism.

ANd neither does living beyond your means and expecting someone else to pick up the tab.

Frankly your comment was one of the most stupid I have seen.

Anonymous said...

Cuffleyburgers said @ 11:03

'Frankly your (G. Tingey) comment was one of the most stupid I have seen'

You don't come here very often do you.

Steve

Mr Ecks said...


Yes that was a supremely dumb comment Tingey. Not paying tax thieving is a very good idea for anyone rich or poor. But that is not the cause of Greece's problems. The scum of the Greek STATE borrowing vast sums and pissing it up the wall (10-15 billion on the 2004 fucking Olympics for Christ's sake). That + the straitjacket of the Euro is the source of the trouble NOT freedom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RmBjLN58rU

Gordon the Fence Post Tortoise said...

I'm not saying it's happened - but there's been some very, very dodgy stiuff going on. I KNOW that Switzerland was *actively* discouraging Euro deposit accounts a few years ago... and the ECB was chasing after €100 notes with within a range of serial numbers....

Do you think for a millisecond that if anything like this had gone down that anything would come out?

Love a conspiracy me... but why was the ECB chasing those notes (from Greece - eh? )

G. Tingey said...

Libertarianism is all about obeying the rule of law, but there would be fewer laws
And how do those laws get enacted & enforced, then?
Remember there is also a quasi-anarchist left-wing variant of Libertarianism - stamped flat by Stalin the bastard - represented by Kropotkin ...
Actually, we had something like a Libertarian minarchist state in this country, once ... until The Great Stink ...
Ooops.

Mr Ecks
No
The Greeks had a dysfunctional economy, with almost everyone trying to cheat on their taxes, as supported ideologically by US Libertarians ( "because all guvmint is EVIL!" ) ...
They were offered a chance to join the Euro, & the other EU states quite deliberately chose to ignore the fact that Greece DI NOT MEET the conditons for Euro entry - & nothing was done.
Now it's all come home to roost.

Long live the new Drachma!
( And "Notegeld" if we are unlucky )