Monday, 28 September 2015

Chaos in Catalunya

The parallels between Scotland and Catalunya are various - but the key difference is the gamble that England took in facilitating a binding referendum. That result, as we know, was a clear victory for those wishing to maintain the Union with 55% to 45% of the vote. Spain (that is Castile, Valencia and Grenada) in denying a referendum to Catalunya it could potentially have won with 53% to 47% if yesterday's election result can be extrapolated has just stepped into a world of pain.

Catalunyan separatists will now use that minority 47% of votes (on a 76% turnout), which has given them 72 seats in the regional parliament, sufficient to start secession. Spain will not permit it. Everything from the arrest of the separatist leaders to the military occupation of Catalunya is then possible, and Spain will be backed by the capi of the EU. 

As much in favour of both self-determination and localism as I am, I cannot say I support the separatists in their proposed actions. They simply don't enjoy the necessary clear democratic mandate for their intentions. Which is also why Sturgeon is farting into the wind with her bluster on Scotland. 

The alternative for Spain, to refrain from using force and to allow Catalunya to secede only to watch it collapse without the Euro and without membership of the EU, is attractive in offering an object lesson to Scotland but little else. Effective diplomacy is simply beyond the idiot clowns from Brussels. So we have a recipe for even more chaos in the Med.


DeeDee99 said...

The English didn't grant Scotland a Referendum; the British Government did. The English have no devolved political power in the UK; we are not recognises as a singe entity - a nation - as the Scots are. No-one knows what the English would have done, given the opportunity.

Spain would do well to give Catalunya a Referendum on independence because it's far better to settle these issues democratically. The alternative is the IRA/ETA route and I expect some Catalyans are already dusting off the ETA bomb-making manual.

DAD said...

If Catalunya leaves Spain (we are told) it must leave the EU (and the Euro).

If Scotland leaves the UK (we are tols) it will remain in the EU.

Why is there is a difference ?

Billy Marlene said...

Add to that the cinema tragedy in Vitoria-Gasteiz last Saturday.

248 perished in the fire due to there only being one emergency door.

Just proves that you shouldn't put all your Basques in one exit.

Budgie said...

Completely off topic, I would like to announce that the world does not appear to have ended.

Budgie said...

DAD, I thought we were all told during the neverendum that, since the SNP intended Scotland to voluntarily secede from the UK, Scotland would have to apply to join the EU (and hence be required to accept the euro)? So that appears to be the same.

One of the main planks of the EU is the aim to engineer the "EU of the regions", in order to destroy the influence of the nation state. This is also why the free movement of people is so dear to the EU's zombie heart (though disguised in the Single Market).

It is natural that this EU policy should open the door to the more grievance-prone regions first - hence the Catalans, Northern League and our very own Scots.

Anonymous said...

In many aspects, the comparison is specious.

Not least, by contrasting the economic situations and betwixt; the sweats and England, as compared with Catalunya and the rest of peninsula excepting the Portuguese.
There is, it must be noted, one rather big difference, whereas Scotland is supported by England and if Scotland left the union to attempt to fend for itself it would be in immediate great financial trouble, especially when one realizes it would be run by a bunch of Marxist redistribution policy loving eejits and England would laugh all the way to the BoE.
In Catalunya's case, it is the engine room of the 'Spanish' economy and it is the richest region in Spain by far - thus if, Catalunya choose to leave it's Spaniard cousins - those left behind would suffer most...........And Catalunya would be laughing.

Could Catalunya a nation founded on trade and seafaring survive outside of the EU and Spain? Of course they bloody could - and therein: that's what worries Madrid and Brussels so much.

Anonymous said...

It looks like the EU would actually facilitate Catalonia, its in their interests to do so.
Its the wealthiest part of Spain.
They'll change the rules if it suits them.

Anonymous said...

DeeDee99 said @ 07:01

'The English didn't grant Scotland a Referendum; the British Government did. The English have no devolved political power in the UK; we are not recognised as a singe entity - a nation - as the Scots are. No-one knows what the English would have done, given the opportunity.'

That is correct, and the only non-nation nation in Europe. Furthermore the British Government actively suppresses English identity, a repeat of what it once did to Welsh identity - for instance I have friends who have been arrested by the police for gathering in an open field to celebrate the life of the original English patron saint, St. Edmund.

A former Home and Foreign Secretary said this:

"The English, as a race, are not worth saving.." - Jack Straw

Easily our darkest time since William of Normandy took papal gold and hired a mercenary army. The time to fight or die is upon us.