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Sunday, 24 April 2016

Will Cameron pay Obama for EU speech with the lives of UK troops to Libya?

Back on March 17th I wrote
There's a very funny smell hanging around Cameron, Obama, Libya and the 'stay' campaign right now. Firstly, the US President, whose every public word is guarded by a phalanx of PR experts, blames Cameron for leaving business unfinished in Libya. Then it's revealed that Obama will strongly support the 'stay' campaign. And now the leaks are starting that Obama wants boots on the ground in Libya before the end of his presidential term - that means this year. And Cameron has nothing left to lose. 

So one has to wonder if Cameron, like Blair, has already promised the US President that UK troops will fight in Libya alongside a US contingent - and whether Obama's support for the 'stay' campaign is the price for this.
Now in today's Telegraph the rather fab Penny Mordaunt's fine piece is bracketed with an exclusive interview with Hammond, explaining why UK troops should go to Libya.   

No doubt Obama demanded that Cameron demonstrate his side of the deal before the departure of Air Force One. Watch this space. 

If this is true, that lard-faced little man is even more contemptable than most people imagine. 


James Higham said...

Can Obama be impeached or charged with war crimes?

Cull the Badgers said...

And there's a great piece by Peter Hitchens in Mail On Line today on how we were and continue to be ruined by America.

DeeDee99 said...

Obama bluntly reminded us that American troops fought and died in Europe in WW2. We managed to stop Flashman from sending them to Syria to back-up the Yanks and they wouldn't go without us.

So, yes, I don't doubt Obama's intervention over the EU has come with Libyan troops strings attached.

Cameron told us who he is .... the Heir to Blair. He's just as disgraceful and will end up just as loathed.

Anonymous said...

Here we go again.

Though, I really don't see it, albeit, an outgoing shithead like Obama could just, but he's not the main player here imho.

No, this smacks, like the Ukraine and its amateurish bungling and egregious EU political interference, A new Libyan military has the foetid stink of Brussels all over it. The Germans are panicking, as are, the Renzi government about the movement of Africa to Europe - with Turkey closed off for now - its influx to Lampedusa ferried from Libyan shores which will begin in innumerable - massive numbers - when the winter is passed - ie NOW.

YUP, JUST Another nasty open ended conflict with no actual goals, no strategy and no hope of ever getting close to a happy conclusion, still less a functioning State. Why the fuck do they want to meddle in a disaster area, why did these fuckwit western 'leaders' remove Gaddafi in the first place?

Now, with the gateway to southern Europe 'open' for people trafficking - minds are focused AGAIN (what have we done?)..... are they (EU, but mainly ITALY, FRANCE AND dragging our (?] very own special fuckwit DAVE and barry Shaunessy where is he from, hawaian Soetoro top of the mornin' t'you sorr O'bummer).

Libya, a region, where the Umayyads - Arabs and Islamic horde, later the Mamelukes and before, various others; Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans. Latterly, the Ottomans all had a go at colonizing and now, a few hundred thousand others from the nether regions of North Africa generally - who it must be said are hated by the locals or them wot was there afore.
Next, once more and mendaciously funded, funnelled by the Gulf Satrapys and Saudi Sovereign funds/billionaires who should turn up but glory be! Islamic state genocidal maniacs foreign legionaires disease, what a bounteous happenstance was that and dear God the last thing the Libyan area needed.
I do, very genuinely feel great sympathy for the Godawful plight of, if I can term them 'Libyans' - by a very long chalk they're not all Salafist nutters and hell bent of being nearer to their God as suicide missionaries.
For, many of those who live in Tripoli and Benghazi are, quite, if not very European in their outlook and by blood.

Since circa 1911, when Imperial Italy (funny) booted out the Turks and Mussolini didn't help much either with his ideas of 'Roman-ization' for want of a better phrase and in their thousands did many Italians were pushed/dispatched.
Inevitably, though quite ludicrously, somehow, the Italians still feel that they are (or should be) wielding influence and projecting power in the area, hence the earnest behind the scenes push for "something to be done" by Renzi and his branch of the Brussels Mafia.
However, France is the regional interlocuter, who provides the impetus for 'action' and tagging along is Cameron who simply put: hasn't got a fucking clue.

Libya, is just a bit of desert between a lot more sand, marked out as. somewhere betwixt that bit of North Africa dominated by the Frogs and the Nile, which the British coveted and secured much to the chagrin of said frogs, though they allowed a frog to dig a canal.
Libya, it is not a country but a stretch of sand and lived in by a disparate tribal peoples who mainly inhabit the coastal strip and have not much to do with the lot who live in the south of said desert region - I refuse to name it as a 'country'.

British troops fighting again in Libya, battling another bunch of Wahhabist loonies but which, bunch of fanatical Sunnis would we be backing up - in the North African desert? I cannot observe that there are any 'good guys', no goals, no one to support and no hope.

There are no sides, there is but only one enemy. God knows, we need to focus on our own interests and that means LEAVING and FORTHWITH! getout of the club of the damned and last week, would not be soon enough.

FFS God spare us from the loons, their Internationalist-EU Empire builders and David Camoron.

Anonymous said...

The EU, needs to wake up, rescind the not fit for purpose human rights convention directives and make people gimmegrants understand that, landing on any southern Med shore will mean repatriation asap and blockade all of the Libya coast.

More importantly, vitally, Plus, then cut off all ties to the KSA and its Gulf satrapys - unless, the aforementioned cease funding its Wahhabist Sunni terrorist network, in the Maghreb, Sahel, Syria, Turkey, Yemen, horn of Africa and beyond that into all of Eastern and Western Africa.

Anonymous said...

You can come at this (unwanted political intervention) from several angles, all valid in my opinion:

US Assaults British Sovereignty


Cascadian said...

I have no time for obama, his foreign adventures have been a disaster, but it has to be said that the Libya disaster was exacerbated by sarkozy and the camoron, and in this instance I will agree with obambi that Libya is a shit-show, abandoned by your weak "leaders".
I too have great sympathy for Libyans who have had to live the consequences of the camorons blunderings, and if they seek shelter from the nutter islamists then you OWE them shelter just as surely as you owed shelter of refugees from the nazis. That is your problem to deal with.
Now get your border agency organized (another impossibility), admit those Libyans and turn back the gimmegrants taking advantage of the situation. Since the border agency is flaccid then it becomes a political problem, somebody has to announce that all social programmes for "refugees" are frozen new arrivals will receive not one penny of aid, let the luvvies step forward to shelter the gimmegrants in their own homes at their own cost.
As to yUK sending armed forces, I ask where will you find any? The tourist season is beginning and they will all be parading in their chocolate box uniforms. RAF and navy-oh dear.
As always with yUk-when all is said and done, more will be said than done.