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Thursday, 20 October 2016

Treasury must find up to £1bn for Brexit support

Allister Heath in the Telegraph is half-right this morning. He calls for Mrs May to set up a Cabinet unit of the best civil servants to promote Brexit - "Prior to the referendum, David Cameron had 50 of the best civil servants camped out in the Cabinet Office, waging war against Brexit .." and then blows it. If 50 of the best civil sevants are anti-Brexit, as the vast majority of senior civil servants are, what chance has May to recruit real pro-Brexit talent? 

In fact this vacuum that has allowed the remainian counter-revolution the space to manoeuvre has, I suspect, been caused by a remainian civil service doing nothing. If we rely on civil servants, as Heath suggests, we are doomed. They cannot, at this time, be trusted. 

Don't forget that the up-front £9m of Cameron's leaflets was just the tip of the iceberg, and the vast majority of costs deployed by Cameron in the campaign, like the cost of those 50 top civil servants, will never get anywhere near an Electoral Commission cost return. I'll bet he spent not much short of £100m trying to keep us in - bribes, peerages, corrupt chiselling Cameronian promises to his chums and all the rest. 

Well, Theresa May faces no Electoral Commission restrictions on what she now spends to secure Brexit. And given the mouthwatering scale of the sums involved - £40bn to come back to us from the EIB, £20bn in legacy costs to the EU, ongoing revenue costs of £10bn a year, and £50bn a year of GDP to be won or lost - now is not the time to pennypinch. 

The Treasury must find £1bn over the next four or five years to fund our pro-Brexit moves. It can start with £10m for leaflets to every household in Britain explaining that we are leaving, there's no going back, and setting out the ways in which the British people can support their nation. We must set a munificent fee budget to secure London's finest and most competent lawyers, business negotiators and trade talent. We must have not 50 civil servants but 500 of the best and brightest commercial professionals in the country on retainer. 

And the message must be transmitted at every opportunity via the media - TV, radio, press adverts - that Brexit is irrevocable for 20 years at least, will not be reversed and Britons must get behind it. Only this will counter the pernicious and baleful agitprop coming from the BBC at every turn. 

Yes, we ARE at war. We must tell our people so.


DeeDee99 said...

I'd willingly abandon my policy of (legally) minimising the tax I pay if I thought the additional money would be spent to secure Brexit.

I won't give up my TV licence though. In order to counter the pro-EU shrills at the BBC, you have to have access to their output.

Anonymous said...

How about a law against sedition?

If that isn't possible at least subject the BBC to public accountability, the public being the 90%, not the 10% of 'others' that dominate it now.

Poisonedchalice said...

The problem is not well understood. Your average MSM luvvie or leftie or in fact any other type of remainiac still thinks that 52/48 is still a close call that can be frustrated and eventually made to wither on the vine.

But that isn't the true picture. Middlesborough, Hartlepool, Durham, Sheffield, Chesterfield, Doncaster, Rotherham, Nottingham, Liverpool, and on and on and on through all the traditional working areas of Britain the pattern of voting was very different - 64/36 to leave the EU. They took this action because they felt that the EU and big globalisation had left them behind and brought them no benefit; quite the opposite in fact. In short, which ever way they voted, they had nothing to lose, so they might as well vote for change. This is what overturned the south east applecart. They (SE) did not expect this result and they are still in denial. Whether the PM (previously a remainiac) is truly behind Brexit is under scrutiny and I'm not sure, and the working people of Britain are not sure either.

rapscallion said...

It wasn't just the Northern and Midlands cities and towns that voted out, there was a sizeable chunk of us down South. Canterbury, Chichester, Eastleigh, Gosport, Havant, Portsmouth, Worthing, Cornwall, East Dorset to name but a few. In short, with a few exceptions everywhere outside London, Scotland and NI voted OUT. By and large Rural England voted OUT, which bodes well for any tory MP. I'm not sure about May either, but there are two points that I believe keep her onside; politicians love power - she won't want to get to 2020 without having triggered Article 50 because the tories will get slaughtered. Secondly I'd like to believe that she recognises that however much of a remainer she is/was, the people have spoken and that you just cannot ignore the largest political mandate in British History.

Anonymous said...

Wouldn't it be nice if spending money on the Remain campaign was identified as a misuse of public funds, so that they could be recovered from the individuals concerned in the way that councillors are sometimes surcharged. The money would then be available to spend on the Brexit arrangements, which after all are a legitimate expenditure because the majority of the electorate voted for it

Anonymous said...

Raedwald said:

'If 50 of the best civil sevants are anti-Brexit, as the vast majority of senior civil servants are, what chance has May to recruit real pro-Brexit talent?'

Ain't that the truth. We've been part of the cast in this EU horror production for 43 years - and these so-called public (civil) servants have burrowed in like Alabama ticks. Removal will be painful. If it were me I'd start fresh, a new body of people, with a 'out there be huge tradin' opportunities' attitude. Why do we have such crap politics these days? I hate it.

Vote Trump and end the status quo.


Edward Spalton said...

The problem is that civil servants with a huge depth of knowledge about all the convolutions and ramifications are required. The FCO has been run down like the armed forces and negotiators from outside are being recruited. They may ( or may not) be the best qualified people in their fields but they will not know the ramifications and interactions of their activities.
And, of course, they will need expert briefing.
A diplomat from the old days told me how things used to work in pre-electronic days.
Starting as a lowly Third Secretary, memoranda from on high would come for his reading and
comment. Then it would go to his superior and so on, right up to Permanent Secretary and
Foreign Secretary who would add their comments. Then it would come back to him for
further comment in the light of the views taken higher up and the document went upstairs again
for its final version - the policy which would be acted on .

As he said, it was slow and ridiculous but it was designed to make the new boys think like
Mandarins and, by the time they had done it for a few years their depth of knowledge
was considerable. They not only knew what the policy was but why it was so.

Dioclese said...

Indeed this is a war. The Germans are trying to take over Europe for a third time except that this time they are using economics instead of tanks and planes. The EU is the Fourth Reich in all but name but at least 17m of us in this country have woken up to them.

Anyone who has studied the Red House Agreement will know this is a fact.

If we have to stand alone then it won't be the first time. We did it in 1940 and we can bloody well do it again!

anon 2 said...

Hear, Hear, Dioclese!

Gordon the Fence Post Tortoise said...

If we rely on civil servants, as Heath suggests, we are doomed. They cannot, at this time, be trusted.

It is clear that Civil Servants fall into the same trust category as the BBC - actually - I'd argue the evidence is that what we have now is even worse...

They have a legally binding Code of Conduct that as far as I'm aware - and I have looked - not a single miscreant has been unequivocally terminated for breaches of the code. Retired with a KBE/OBE etc. and a fat pension for being a fuckup - nice work if you can get it.

Anonymous said...

Common Purpose, the Socialist version of the Masonic lodges and the whole of Whitehall is riddled with them, poisoned and right on EU.

Art 50 or, an ultimatum issued "Britain and OUT!".. should have been slapped on the gates of Berlaymont and straight away on the morn of Thursday 24th June 2016 and as someone said, Jun the 23 rd was not a General Election!! It was an instruction and nothing else; with certainty the UK voted to LEAVE, no equivocation - it's out or something very unpleasant befalls upon the duplicitous cunts currently peculating in the houses of Westminster.

Edward Spalton said...

Dear Dioclese, Gordon and Anonymous,

My friend, the (former) diplomat, told me in full detail that in 1950 British Intelligence was fully aware both of
the Red House Agreement and of secret clauses in the new treaty for the European Coal & Steel Community that France
would subsidise German heavy industry and Germany would subsidise French heavy industry when in
competition with Britain - to destroy our industrial base. Mr Attlee, the Labour Prime Minister, refused to join
In the Coal & Steel,Community but could not stop it. ( my own take is that the Americans wanted it and we were
broke and financially dependent on the USA.).

There are only politicians and civil servants. My own experience suggests that most politicians are dreadfully ill informed
and short term in their thinking - and that goes for many whose sentiments are sound enough. They think with their hearts
and their guts when brainpower is called for. One has to hope that the FCO and Department for Brexit will somehow rise
to the occasion as the supposed Rolls Royce of diplomatic wisdom. There isn't anybody else.

Mr Cameron's arrogance in refusing even to consider any "plan B" assured that there was a total policy vacuum in
Government. So there would be no point st all in precipitate action until the vacuum had been filled and HMG had
some clue as to what it's negotiating objectives were. To leave without an adequate agreement ensuring no
disruption of trade could ( indeed almost certainly would) be to create chaos equivalent to the Conservatives'
earlier, ill-fated agreement to enter the ERM. The resulting destruction of jobs, businesses and repossessions of
homes destroyed the Conservatives' reputation for economic competence and ushered in the age of Blair. A botched
Brexit with adverse economic consequences would do the same for the cause of independence.

Gordon the Fence Post Tortoise said...

Edward Spalton

We've moved into an era where few of those Civil Servants have little/any experience beyond parochial office politics and they operate on a basis where job title and status trump conpetence at every turn - and they also operate on the basis that they are safe from any negative consequences of their actions.

The Romans knew of this effect in the affairs of men and they had one remedy for some of the effects - decimation.

Edward Spalton said...

I fear you may be right. I remarked to my MP that we now had experienced the effects of two generations of civil servants
who were out of the habit of drafting primary legislation. All they had done was transcribe EU regulations and directives.
She agreed.

Nonetheless they are what we have got and we have to hope that talent emerges to meet the occasion.

Also, of course, keep pressure on the politicians to live up to their word.
The" Biff-Bam" style of media reporting is neither enlightening nor helpful.
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Edward Spalton said...

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Johnm said...

Doesn't bother me at all.
Way over retirement age, several pensions.
Rumours (well, more like whispers about the coming future) about the triple-lock becoming history (the "pension fund" will be depleted by 2020 unless NI contribs are lifted) are of little me.
The local council quietly removing the enhanced travel concessions was a non-event; to me.
Caring services being not only shelved, but buggered totally made a lot of difference to others....but they were only lowering costs because of funding "targets" being lowered....and they were only staffed by immigrants at sub-minimum-wage anyway..
Due to my enhanced package, healthcare costs are also paid, so I don't have to use the wards in hospital...I get a single room to myself "rented" from the NHS at lower-than-private cost...I also get home treatment.
I tend to worry about my children, and grandchildren, because the economy is a bit uncertain at the moment...but things will come right in the future.
It may be that the economic balancing, which has eluded/been ignored by politician-arseholes is underway....manufacturing will never return, costs are way too high. Depending on the terms we get to bugger off, we may still have a car manufacturing operation of sorts. If we have to pay tariffs: We soon won't. Then there are the non-tariff barriers, which may well be the one-tonne weight which will cause spinal problems to the camel....all goods en-route to the EU will, in lack of agreement, have to be inspected and passed. If we do away with EU regulations (some) we will not be able to export to the EU. And "services" makes-up some 78% of our "exports"....
There have been several scenarios modelled about the impact on UK the economy of brexit. The assumptions, based upon either a negotiated FTA (highly unlikely because of "immigration") or the WTO option, all point to the economy taking a hit of between 2% and 6%....none have shown any benefit at all.
One benefit of leaving is that the "younger generation" will have to increase the breeding rate. Currently it is too low to replenish the deathrate, so we import youngsters. With the age demographic being pretty poor, we may have to imprt a lot more soon!

Johnm said...

An interesting "lesson" as to why "the bonfire of regulations" will be seriously non-flammable:

Johnm said...


But don't worry. ALL the political parties are up-for-it.
LOADS of bigger bank balances for politicians will ensue...