tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post4983508827559180522..comments2023-09-28T13:28:52.243+01:00Comments on Raedwald: Selmayr OUT - VdL squeaks in by 9 votesRaedwaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-74135223639667035952019-07-18T09:12:30.390+01:002019-07-18T09:12:30.390+01:00"Like giving medicine to a corpse"
My t..."Like giving medicine to a corpse"<br /><br />My thoughts on giving money to the EUMarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-74928691187211974232019-07-18T08:59:49.463+01:002019-07-18T08:59:49.463+01:00Using reasoned argument with bonkers Ted is like g...Using reasoned argument with bonkers Ted is like giving medicine to a corpse. There are none so blind as those that will not see.Sebastian Weetabixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-35041006224483329502019-07-18T07:44:05.730+01:002019-07-18T07:44:05.730+01:00FN, Just a point on the eight billion or so, that ...FN, Just a point on the eight billion or so, that the UK contributes to the European Union each year. That is the net, of the nominal one percent gross of GDP that members forward.<br /><br />Crime in the UK, which is at twice the pro-rata EU average rate costs the UK about ten times that amount, so reducing it to that level would save us five times those contributions.<br /><br />Tony Blair's slogan "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" showed a sane sense of priority, and his governments enjoyed notable success on the point, with marked reductions in rates.<br /><br />The Tory-TBP-Establishment media seem virtually silent on it these days, don't they?Cheerful Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-22729474384555562482019-07-17T23:46:32.256+01:002019-07-17T23:46:32.256+01:00CE : “Incidentally, the little UK alone will have ...CE : “Incidentally, the little UK alone will have to bend over and take far worse terms than that for any kind of deal with the US, naturally.”<br /><br />The EU likes to say that it is better to be “large” when negotiating a trade deal.<br /><br />The problem is that this does not work for the EU because it is composed of 28 different nations each with their own economic interests and there is no mechanism to compensate those areas or countries which lose out in any deal which may negotiated for the benefit of its more influential members.<br /><br />Ireland may experience such an issue with the EU’s Mercursor trade deal.<br /><br />The UK will be in a far better position outside of the EU to negotiate trade deals which benefit our type of economy and in addition not find its market and institutions traded away by the EU in return for reduced tariffs on German cars or French cheese.<br />John Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01368536835090304923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-19070066477740725462019-07-17T20:35:09.048+01:002019-07-17T20:35:09.048+01:00@Cheerful
Regarding Greece I seem to recall answe...@Cheerful<br /><br />Regarding Greece I seem to recall answering this question in a previous post. Pointless then, pointless repeating.<br /><br />Greece is free to leave, of course it is. Leave or stay, I don't care, not our problem.<br /><br />Middle para. You seem to think this is some sort of knockout argument. Not sure what it is but little you say makes sense.<br /><br />Interesting that Turkey has told the EU to go fuck itself re drilling for gas off Cyprus.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-59524500690028069832019-07-17T19:54:04.880+01:002019-07-17T19:54:04.880+01:00Why waste your time arguing with the straw man?
Hi...Why waste your time arguing with the straw man?<br />His half truths aren’t worth the bother.<br /><br />We will be gone from the EU project by 2020.<br /><br />You can get along just fine without us. And without our money too.<br /><br />Meanwhile, as you eagerly await the resurrection of the LiB Dems and the election of a fully rejoin the Eu party to government of the uk, we shall be spending our billions on ourselves for a change.<br /><br />P.s. we aren’t interested in the imminent collapse of Deutsche Bank. So please don’t send any begging letters. It’s a Hun problem. And a French one too.Fearful Nednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-19420957644067361972019-07-17T19:39:20.490+01:002019-07-17T19:39:20.490+01:00Greece is just as free as the UK to leave the Euro...Greece is just as free as the UK to leave the European Union if its people or government so choose, Mark.<br /><br />Ah, but all those people fleeing the US/UK-generated havoc would not have been able to take advantage of the Schengen agreement to leave Greece, and to make their way to Germany and to Sweden then, would they?<br /><br />How would you personally allocate the blame shares, between PASOK-style Greek socialism, and the European Union, for Greece's problems, incidentally? Cheerful Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-19595196047648283312019-07-17T19:32:00.867+01:002019-07-17T19:32:00.867+01:00There are so many things wrong about low deposit i...There are so many things wrong about low deposit interest rates, however by far the worst is our youngsters have no incentive to save.<br /><br />I still remember when I looked at my post office savings book and saw they'd given me money. Not a lot because it I was 13 and it had a low balance, but it was enough for me to want more of the same.<br /><br />There's a whole generation in Japan who don't know what deposit interest is - and they've developed the attitude of spend it while you've got it.<br /><br />Long term there's no incentive to save and so no real reason for them to want to maintain the status quo.<br /><br />Yes they had to do something to stop a financial meltdown, yet that was caused in part by banks having to keep a portion of their reserves in triple A rated bonds. To seek a better return they invested in repackaged mortgages that were rated, by a rating agency as triple A.<br /><br />In short the rules were too restrictive and have become even more constraining, mainly by politicians who haven't a clue about banking.<br /><br />Now younger people have to go through an odious vetting process to get a business loan - even worse if they want a mortgage.<br /><br />Result is it's easier to crowd fund, whether direct or through an intermediary, so making banks less worthwhile. And despite talk about regulating these funding circles, new methods are coming up to bypass banks.<br /><br />At some point they will have to cave to market forces - and when they do they'll discover all they've achieved since 2007 is to delay the inevitableAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-8531850893938528212019-07-17T19:08:42.033+01:002019-07-17T19:08:42.033+01:00Yes, the Greeks were "enlightened", good...Yes, the Greeks were "enlightened", good and hard.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-13057918990349885162019-07-17T18:38:55.662+01:002019-07-17T18:38:55.662+01:00Yes, the UK should leave the European Union. There...Yes, the UK should leave the European Union. There is no place in the most enlightened, civilised project that the world has ever seen for what this country has now become.<br /><br />But as for democracy, let's remember what the Greeks, who invented it, did recently. Grexit, Greece’s exit from the eurozone, never happened, in the end. It nearly did. Greece even voted in a referendum, to do it. But the Prime Minister realised it was mad, so he ignored the result. And what did the Greek people do, about this attack on democracy, that precious thing, that they invented? They realised he was right, it was mad. So he held an election and they voted him back in with an increased majority. A little Greek myth there, for Boris Johnson to enjoy, even if this one does have the disadvantage of being true.<br />Cheerful Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-58434819279202136812019-07-17T16:55:06.298+01:002019-07-17T16:55:06.298+01:00CE - you constantly refuse to acknowledge the prin...<br />CE - you constantly refuse to acknowledge the principle of voting.<br /><br />Just as a <b>majority</b> of those that were allowed/permitted/could be bothered to vote actually voted leave means we should (in any democratic world) actually leave.<br /><br />If people were bothered enough to join the Conservative Party then THEY would be entitled to vote and only THEIR votes make a difference.<br /><br />If only the EU could be bothered to allow people to vote on THEIR existence we could resolve this issue of who wanted in and who wanted out - wouldn't we?<br /><br />If the Labour Party can use 'members-only' votes to get the Magic Grandad into his position of leadership what's wrong with others doing the same? More specifically, why don't the EU offer this to us?Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-25275996863591877252019-07-17T16:37:27.812+01:002019-07-17T16:37:27.812+01:00If you want to see what mass vituperation of UvdL ...If you want to see what mass vituperation of UvdL really looks like, just glance at the German readers' comments pages on die Welt's newspaper website. I have never seen such a massive collective wave of scornful contempt as on those pages. Even the despised Juncker never achieved such a standard of rank hatred in Germany.<br /><br />Die Welt's editors have even posted warnings that nobody is allowed to 'insult or offend' UvdL, and that they will actively bar posters and remove posts that do that.<br />Reading the comments that have got through, one can only wonder what the level of insults of the barred and removed posts must be.<br /><br />But then the German press is 'selber schuld' for having naively suggested that vdL's removal from Berlin is a blessing, as she was utterly incompetent - but that (with a curious leap of journalistic faith whose logic has palpably escaped the readers) she will be absolutely fine as the leader of the EU.John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-79170815742851293982019-07-17T15:11:27.152+01:002019-07-17T15:11:27.152+01:00@Ted:
It will depend on who becomes PM, but one h...@Ted:<br /><br />It will depend on who becomes PM, but one had 50.8% of the vote, 47,000 voted and the other one had 55.7% where just over 60,000 voted.<br /><br />I don't know where you get your figures from?<br />Stephen Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16628822966183977715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-44736717072330374722019-07-17T14:43:54.630+01:002019-07-17T14:43:54.630+01:00What, ones that prorogue their Parliament, so that...What, ones that prorogue their Parliament, so that a PM chosen by just 0.2% of the population can do whatever he likes you mean, righty?<br /><br />The European Union is nothing like that.Cheerful Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-81760948034185054992019-07-17T13:44:58.487+01:002019-07-17T13:44:58.487+01:00There is nothing unique about the EU.
Nasty anti-...There is nothing unique about the EU.<br /><br />Nasty anti-democratic dictatorships have been with us since time immemorial.Stephen Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16628822966183977715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-67038310526204712612019-07-17T13:34:50.210+01:002019-07-17T13:34:50.210+01:00Mark, cite another example of a voluntary associat...<br /><i>Mark, cite another example of a voluntary association of twenty-eight nations, of half-a-billion people, agreeing to pool... </i><br /><br />Cite One example where the population of any country were offered the opportunity to vote on joining what the EU has morphed into.<br /><br />The EU has been built on lies and subterfuge and the people now recognise the fact and want change or, as some voted, to simply leave.<br /><br />The EU REFUSES to acknowledge people's concerns let alone act on them. And you call that 'democracy'? Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-50398898722079268532019-07-17T13:25:13.944+01:002019-07-17T13:25:13.944+01:00@Cheerful
"Farage said tha event after the UK...@Cheerful<br />"Farage said tha event after the UK had left the European Union, he would devote the rest of his life to trying to destroy it."<br /><br />What Mr Farage decides to do with his time is up to him. I am grateful to him for providing the circumstances in which the Referendum could take place but, given the opportunity, I would have voted Leave even if he (or Johnson or any other figure Leavers are supposed to slavishly follow), had never existed.JSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-12543849357898825442019-07-17T12:28:03.880+01:002019-07-17T12:28:03.880+01:00@Cheerful
Er, the UN?
That's the propaganda ...@Cheerful<br /><br />Er, the UN?<br /><br />That's the propaganda that poor misguided fools like you have swallowed hook, line, sinker, rod, reel and copy of angling times.<br /><br />Could we have some actual evidence that the EU is what you say?Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-45469197172560425002019-07-17T11:44:17.782+01:002019-07-17T11:44:17.782+01:00PS, that would apply even if you only still owed £...PS, that would apply even if you only still owed £1, Mark. You could in principle lose the house completely on the 364th day of the 20th year of a twenty-year mortgage.Cheerful Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-46393771739894538742019-07-17T11:37:17.458+01:002019-07-17T11:37:17.458+01:00Elby, you are wrong.
Farage said tha event after ...Elby, you are wrong.<br /><br />Farage said tha event after the UK had left the European Union, he would devote the rest of his life to trying to destroy it.<br /><br />The Americans, or US-supremacist UK thralls, posting on threads such as these will continue to care too.<br /><br />More importantly, so will tens of millions of pro-European Union people in the UK too.<br /><br />Oh, Mark, cite another example of a voluntary association of twenty-eight nations, of half-a-billion people, agreeing to pool sovereignty in limited areas, and where the members are perfectly free to leave?<br /><br />There isn't one, is there?Cheerful Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-22082273011149091662019-07-17T11:26:20.882+01:002019-07-17T11:26:20.882+01:00@Cheerful
OK then in what way is it unique? You a...@Cheerful<br /><br />OK then in what way is it unique? You are making an extraordinary claim. Extraordinary evidence would be needed but any evidence would be a start.<br /><br />PS if you haven't paid for it, it ain't yours.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-14063504214114828292019-07-17T11:08:19.560+01:002019-07-17T11:08:19.560+01:00Rossa said...
Bear in mind if we do leave the EU, ...Rossa said...<br />Bear in mind if we do leave the EU, our MEPs who voted against her will no longer be in the EP. Therefore her ‘majority’ will increase in proportion to the overall number of MEPs left behind.<br />========================================================<br /><br />Bear in mind, Rossa, that when we do, we won't give a flying duck. Elby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-1092402658297147902019-07-17T10:41:03.046+01:002019-07-17T10:41:03.046+01:00Dave, anyone who has a mortgage-backed loan should...Dave, anyone who has a mortgage-backed loan should read up on the relevant law.<br /><br />If your lender goes bust, then as it stands, then their creditors can claim the asset against which your loan is secured. Your house, that is. Yes, I know, it's no fault of the borrower, but that's the deal.<br /><br />I don't think that there has been such a case recently in the UK, and we can hope that the Right To Peaceful Enjoyment Of Possessions under ECHR and HRA1998 would now prevent its success, but it is as well to be aware. <br /><br />Mark, the EU is a unique entity, unprecedented in history. It's pretty good, really.Cheerful Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-72997615653702965352019-07-17T10:35:10.404+01:002019-07-17T10:35:10.404+01:00@Cheerful
So what is the EU?
Is it a nation, an ...@Cheerful<br /><br />So what is the EU?<br /><br />Is it a nation, an empire, a trading block?<br /><br />What are YOU describing specifically?<br /><br />"The rulers of the EU are the 27 heads of national governments in the council"<br /><br />What are they "ruling" exactly?<br /><br />Why does the EU need an army, a flag and an anthem. Why does it need citizenship? Why does it need a single currency?<br /><br />I know damn well what I voted to leave. What did you vote to stay in?Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-69377934123603250922019-07-17T10:19:59.443+01:002019-07-17T10:19:59.443+01:00I don't know why the poor should suffer in an ...<br />I don't know why the poor should suffer in an economic collapse. If the debt cannot be repaid then the creditors should stand the loss in the same way as people lose when any company go bust. Nice and conveniently the people are made to pay no matter who's fault it is - the banks are never the ones to lose out. Banks seem ok about lending to anyone and everyone on the basis of ursury rates for the more risky customers so the should reap what they sow.<br /><br />I've harped on about the banks for decades and constantly bemoan the fact that they aren't taken to task often enough nor are their motives and actions discussed openly enough in forums (like this) - it's as if they enjoy some form of auto-immunity.<br /><br />But maybe it's because if you dig deep enough - in fact you don't have to go that far to find it - you come across a problem (with banks) that no-one even dares to discuss (or is allowed to).<br /><br />Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.com