tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post6714405562125272171..comments2023-09-28T13:28:52.243+01:00Comments on Raedwald: Dutch stun trawlers destroying UK fishing grounds - protest todayRaedwaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-43820917444634878822018-01-16T22:48:03.565+00:002018-01-16T22:48:03.565+00:00Is there a link for a petition email sight as I an...Is there a link for a petition email sight as I and many more people I know would be only to pleased to sight this as it is a barbaric way of fishing and ruining the sea beds which have been such a rich source of food but will soon be totally destroyed Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-7435006798127417202017-11-28T20:40:12.275+00:002017-11-28T20:40:12.275+00:00Jack Ketch said: "It isn't that the UK is...Jack Ketch said: "It isn't that the UK is no longer a sovereign nation due to the EU, . . ." Actually the UK <i>is</i> no longer a sovereign nation. Declaration 17 (ex Lisbon) states that EU law has primacy over member states (UK) law.<br /><br />The UK has therefore lost sovereignty to the EU for all EU "competences", and any extensions thereof in the future. The UK retains sovereignty only where the EU chooses not to extend its own competences.Budgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-77679784524736490472017-11-28T01:33:33.131+00:002017-11-28T01:33:33.131+00:00And why is this happening? Simply, the RN is ineff...And why is this happening? Simply, the RN is ineffectual, looking at their website there are four patrol vessels, digging down further, one is in the Atlantic, another "at sea" and two alongside. Summarizing, there is actually one fishery vessel available-about par for the RN, and even that vessel could be called upon should the Russians decide to traverse the North Sea. So once again the politicians are lying to you, effectively there is NO inshore fishery patrol, the Dutch surely know this and will continue to do whatever they damn well please.<br /><br />A government that truly wished to Brexit would have had a fully funded budget for an inshore patrol vessel fleet,(amongst other necessary requirements) and tenders ready to start construction. <br /><br />This government is incapable of Brexit. Cascadiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-79556899097528861422017-11-27T16:23:37.317+00:002017-11-27T16:23:37.317+00:00This is what angers me about our governments and t...This is what angers me about our governments and the EU. Our government and Civil Service not only obey every last detail of any EU directive, indeed they gold plate them with additional rules, whilst every other country blatantly ignores many of the directives.<br />Typical was when France started to send the Roma home, the EU mandarins said it was against the rules, and France ignored them. They were threatened with the EU court and again ignored. So a committee was set up to look at the problem and that was the end of the matter, France still continues to deport the Roma.<br />If only we had the same attitude towards the EU.English Pensionerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15271488641341955140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-10389487214685105892017-11-27T14:36:58.029+00:002017-11-27T14:36:58.029+00:00"No, the UK government does not have a veto o..."No, the UK government does not have a veto of EU actions any more"<br /> Did I say it did? But the thing about being a sovereign nation in a political union is there is always a 'get out' or 'emergency' clause (for want of a better phrase) in any Treaty or Agreement. <br /><br />It isn't that the UK is no longer a sovereign nation due to the EU, rather the UK has forgotten how due to our own Politicians. If PMT.May decided tomorrow that e-fishing boats pose a threat to, for example, "national security" (a more rubber phrase you will not find) and has all british flagged boats confiscated at gun point, there is no power on Earth -let alone on the continent- that can stop her. jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-23238263059576490452017-11-27T13:46:11.674+00:002017-11-27T13:46:11.674+00:00Jack - your cynicism is admirable but if you'd...Jack - your cynicism is admirable but if you'd spent as much time researching the facts as typing your post you'd find, as I did, a comprehensive spsn of scholarly and academic evidence supporting the dangers of electric pulse fishing. Including the Chinese who pretty well destroyed their own shrimp stocks before they banned it. <br /><br />No, the UK government does not have a veto of EU actions any more. These waters are not even ours to manage - we've given that right away to the EU, who make their own fish management decisions as part of the CFP. UK delegates to the various committees can voice an opinion of course - and it's as valid as opinions voiced by delegates from Malta, Luxembourg or Estonia. <br /><br />Yes, 84 Dutch flagged boats and 12 UK flagged boats - an unknown number of which are Dutch - are fitted with the stunning gear. Yes, UK MCA / DEFRA can board UK flagged ships but for what breach? They are permitted by the EU to use the technology in EU waters, and that won't change until 2019 when we take back control. Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-26856059553279911382017-11-27T12:20:22.228+00:002017-11-27T12:20:22.228+00:00I have to say this (if true-I did just check the d...I have to say this (if true-I did just check the date wasn't 01.04.18 ) does seem somewhat shortsighted of the Dutch (shurely the Dutch Green Party is screaming blue murder?). A bit 'kill the golden goose'.<br /><br />I don't know the ins and outs of this but I'd guess that if the yUK.gov really wanted to they could have stopped the use of e-fishing in our waters. Tends to be the way of such things ie another EU 'Horror Story' that on closer inspection reveals it is a actually something the government is responsible for/signed up to/could stop anytime they liked. A fact Brexshiteurs forget all too often is that the EU has almost zero possibilities to enforce it's will on/to sanction sovereign member states...as Poland and Hungary have both recently proved. <br /><br />And if those sneaky Dutch boats are flying the UK snotrag then, say, any boarding of them becomes is an <i>internal</i> UK law enforcement matter does it not? <br /><br />jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-17111327264050202982017-11-27T09:25:29.621+00:002017-11-27T09:25:29.621+00:00Not one word of this in The Times today.Not one word of this in The Times today.Poisonedchalicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16877122279794559618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-60564997752887839332017-11-27T09:11:05.324+00:002017-11-27T09:11:05.324+00:00Yes I forgot to mention, something that I have not...Yes I forgot to mention, something that I have not yet heard about pulse fishing... Do the Cloggies do it in their own waters? Or is this just because they are getting something for nothing and a gift horse is one whose teeth do not need examination, but rather a thorough ransacking?<br /><br />right-writesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-51955081661530723782017-11-27T09:01:16.281+00:002017-11-27T09:01:16.281+00:00Nigel Farage spent a good deal of his LBC show tal...Nigel Farage spent a good deal of his LBC show talking about the CFP, along with the pulse fishing method. He also went out on a 10m boat from Ramsgate and chatted with the skipper about the conditions. He had a chap in the studio who represents commercial fishermen, and f course some knowledgable callers.<br /><br />The feeling is that our government is just about to renege on the part of brexit that caused many people to get on that bandwagon in the first place. The lies of the traitor heath, the evil manner in which the politicians from both the UK and the EU have have not just sanctioned, but forced the fishermen to throw away good fish and the evidence from the Canadians (for a start) that fishermen are MUCH better at managing their waters than politicians. It is in their interests to maintain good stocks after all.<br /><br />I also suspect that following the antics of that geldoff cnut on the Thames just before the referendum played a good part in swinging the result.<br /><br />Whilst I can see a small amount of merit in maybots "grate breckshit bill", I cannot see ANY reason why the fishermen should even be a part of that; they should get back our territorial waters on the day that article 50 expires.<br /><br />right-writesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-21042417537500710922017-11-27T08:08:09.040+00:002017-11-27T08:08:09.040+00:00God, how I loathe the EU. All their rules, regula...God, how I loathe the EU. All their rules, regulations and their tame puppet court seem designed to destroy everything they touch.<br /><br />You won't hear a word about this in the MSM though: according to the BBC and Sky, the seas are being destroyed by people buying fizz in a plastic bottle.DeeDee99https://www.blogger.com/profile/06753473473887381622noreply@blogger.com