tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post6906540836860430826..comments2023-09-28T13:28:52.243+01:00Comments on Raedwald: Ignore the roar of the public at your riskRaedwaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-8059481980859653382019-01-22T19:27:52.441+00:002019-01-22T19:27:52.441+00:00PS. Here's one:
https://www.theguardian.com/p...PS. Here's one:<br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/22/owen-paterson-trips-personal-thinktank-hard-brexitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-60540770047779009072019-01-22T16:32:32.256+00:002019-01-22T16:32:32.256+00:00Andrew, it is arguably.
The reason, that none of ...Andrew, it is arguably.<br /><br />The reason, that none of the above have faced any charges is, because they have not betrayed the UK to an enemy. They merely want a positive relationship, with twenty-seven countries, with which this one presently has a solemn, sincere Treaty of friendship.<br /><br />On the other hand, those working for unaccountable right-wing US interests might well meet that definition.<br /><br />Those financed by Robert Mercer etc., that is.<br /><br />They will be found out in due course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-12931946607929367062019-01-22T11:33:46.913+00:002019-01-22T11:33:46.913+00:00Is treason still a crime in this country? If so, w...Is treason still a crime in this country? If so, why aren’t Rudd, Rudd, Grieve, Soubry, Clarke, Ummana, Blair, Major, Heseltine etc being locked up? Andrew Douglasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-74355555293373000522019-01-22T08:13:16.775+00:002019-01-22T08:13:16.775+00:00So the Guardian "hides" news by publishi...So the Guardian "hides" news by publishing it then, Raed?<br /><br />You kindly demonstrate that with your link. Thanks.<br /><br />Polly Toynbee repeats the findings today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-8771454767927201842019-01-21T23:39:13.255+00:002019-01-21T23:39:13.255+00:00Wow, Anon troll really is a knob end isn't he!...Wow, Anon troll really is a knob end isn't he!! I have been trying to follow Brexit from afar (Australia) and have found Raedwald's posts and most of the comments very informative.<br /><br />I still can't fully grasp what is going on other than the fact that the majority of your politicians (along with your "elites") are doing everything in their power to defeat the will of the people as as voiced in the 2016 referendum. I thought that our politicians were a bunch of two faced liars only interested in their perks and staying elected but they are paragons of virtue and honesty compared to what I am seeing day by day in the UK.<br /><br />I can only offer my heartfelt hope that the UK can successfully leave the EU and once again make it's own way in the world, free of the shackles of Brussels, (Some good news for you, Australia is currently negotiating a free trade agreement with the UK in anticipation of you leaving the EU).Sgt 73rd Regthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10279218688409679833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-12308893599840717722019-01-21T22:42:59.976+00:002019-01-21T22:42:59.976+00:00Anon 20:07, genuinely funny. Nice one.
Anon 18:03,...Anon 20:07, genuinely funny. Nice one.<br />Anon 18:03, you address your comment to me incorrectly I think: I was just giving an anecdote of my experience in reply to Mark and Billy.<br /><br />On a lighter note, not much change to May's WA today so not many more votes would go her way if it were voted on.Span Owshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144861546996033462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-47606352269601127452019-01-21T22:24:46.408+00:002019-01-21T22:24:46.408+00:00Like others I realised the EU was a crock of sh*te...Like others I realised the EU was a crock of sh*te in the late 80s when the whole ERM and currency alignment thing was starting up, and the Maastricht Treaty in '92 put the tin lid on it for me. I knew the moment the vote was announced which way my X was going, as I suspect did most others who voted Leave. We've had no mainstream party to give our votes to for 30 odd years since Labour went pro-EEC (as it then was) in the mid 80s, so thats why the Establishment is so surprised - they had ignored a massive proportion of the electorates opinion on the EU for so long they'd forgotten those people existed.Sobershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11407417389022146963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-91278318094059566382019-01-21T20:32:19.415+00:002019-01-21T20:32:19.415+00:00But are you being paid?But are you being paid?Sebastian Weetabixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-50642793052470904392019-01-21T20:07:28.055+00:002019-01-21T20:07:28.055+00:00I'm not charging for this Mark.
Show some gra...I'm not charging for this Mark.<br /><br />Show some gratitude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-68000377517905041352019-01-21T19:14:33.415+00:002019-01-21T19:14:33.415+00:00"Let me define a Straw Man for you".
Le..."Let me define a Straw Man for you".<br /><br />Let's have a little more direct and also local democracy = "mob rule" - "we've had People's Courts before" - "nailing people to crosses, and then later the Ducking Stool".<br /><br />Hell's teeth man, how much longer are you going to keep this up!Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-44228220513005625702019-01-21T18:20:54.703+00:002019-01-21T18:20:54.703+00:00WB, you'll never get your mob rule, not after ...WB, you'll never get your mob rule, not after this utter porridge, and we've had People's Courts before.<br /><br />They didn't work very well, all that nailing people to crosses, and then later the Ducking Stool.<br /><br />I don't think that any conceivable Parliament will bring them back, so sorry.<br /><br />But, mainly, see my last comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-77662811856884249712019-01-21T18:12:01.889+00:002019-01-21T18:12:01.889+00:00Yes, like Span Ows, Mark, Billy, I knew I wanted o...Yes, like Span Ows, Mark, Billy, I knew I wanted out. In fact this was my 'people's vote' as I made a mistake in the first one.<br />As for 'stock-in-trade of the Right - what about the fact that most non-metropolitan Labour voters want out too? Or should they not qualify for a vote?<br />A fractured, confused mess, yes. Just like both major political parties. Let's have a little more direct and also local democracy.Wessexboynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-82057442073127434832019-01-21T18:03:28.092+00:002019-01-21T18:03:28.092+00:00Span.
Let me define a Straw Man for you.
It is ...Span. <br /><br />Let me define a Straw Man for you.<br /><br />It is when someone addresses not the matter which another raises, but instead asserts, usually groundlessly, that they were implying something else - generally rather silly - and takes issue with that instead, because it is more easily refuted.<br /><br />It is one of the least impressive debating devices that there is, and the classic refuge of the cynical dullard.<br /><br />I have never claimed that Leave voters did not know why they were voting Leave nor what they wanted from that.<br /><br />Maybe you and the rest of your troupe could address what I actually said instead?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-19286944840118865932019-01-21T18:03:21.520+00:002019-01-21T18:03:21.520+00:00News just in: excitable Remain troll thinks Leave ...News just in: excitable Remain troll thinks Leave means stay. In other news: Anon troll believes Referendum "unreliable" but polls spot on; bears shitting in the woods means woods now shit-free; and Ian Paisley was a catholic all along, unlike the Pope.Budgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-13861051733324370862019-01-21T17:09:43.515+00:002019-01-21T17:09:43.515+00:00As per Mark and Marlene, I too (and most people th...As per Mark and Marlene, I too (and most people that I know who voted Leave) knew before the turn of the Century (by Maastricht really).Span Owshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144861546996033462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-18448816563663397532019-01-21T16:58:08.157+00:002019-01-21T16:58:08.157+00:00I think that a reasonable person would say, that a...I think that a reasonable person would say, that a paltry 28% of the electorate - never mind of the total people - is hardly "most popular", but rather, "least unpopular".<br /><br />The country is in a fractured, confused, utter mess.<br /><br />Which is ideal, if you want to divide-and-rule, the stock-in-trade of the Right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-28501571908090752332019-01-21T16:41:44.060+00:002019-01-21T16:41:44.060+00:00Absolutely, Mark.
This wasn’t a vote for the bes...Absolutely, Mark. <br /><br />This wasn’t a vote for the best pop record of 2016. The public did not need to be convinced or talked around by either campaign. Beliefs have been long held. <br /><br />The only thing these campaigns did were to reassure me, my family and a good few friends, that we had made the right decision.Billy Marlenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-79555488093623199532019-01-21T16:28:11.345+00:002019-01-21T16:28:11.345+00:00I don't know about anybody else here but I dec...I don't know about anybody else here but I decided I wanted to leave 20 odd years ago.Just never thought I'd get the chance of a referendum (thanks miscalculating, remainer establishment)<br /><br />For me the 2016 campaign made no difference. The remain "campaign" since, I strongly suspect, has reinforced leave sentiment.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-2824687569864758602019-01-21T16:26:58.914+00:002019-01-21T16:26:58.914+00:00Just a suggestion in the spirit of compromise;
Off...Just a suggestion in the spirit of compromise;<br />Offer the 2nd referendum 5 to 10 years after we have fully left.<br />Reasons being, Voting would be based on reality not the speculation we have now. Could revert to a simple binary question. Demographics would be further changed together with the Political and economic landscape (should the EU even still exist by then). Enough time to let the dust settle and the rules of engagement be squared.<br />I had to wait 40 years to have my say, surely complaining millenials wait 5 years!<br />I am not anonymous of troll variety.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-52915772450880506002019-01-21T16:06:45.861+00:002019-01-21T16:06:45.861+00:00Anon, I accept your novel and innovative maths sys...Anon, I accept your novel and innovative maths system. But it doesn't do you any favours.<br /><br />You see, it means 28% of the Remain vote of 16m are actually in favour of No Deal - and if we add their vote to the 17.4m Leave voters, we have an overwhelming national majority for leaving on the 29th March. <br /><br />It also means that 28% of those registered to vote but didn't do so are also in favour of Leaving without a deal - that's 28% of 11m voters, which makes Leave's total unassailable. Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-56119439619227195902019-01-21T16:00:25.496+00:002019-01-21T16:00:25.496+00:00Did Hannan say "no one is thinking of leaving...Did Hannan say "no one is thinking of leaving the Single Market" or not?<br /><br />Did Paterson say, that moving to the EEA would be a logical first step, in the long process of disengagement from the EU or not?<br /><br />All that I am claiming is that they did, and that this likely influenced some cautious people to vote Leave, who otherwise would not have done.<br /><br />Nothing else.<br /><br />No one here has produced any evidence whatsoever, that of the 17.4 million Leave voters, at least 96% of them want No Deal, which is what it would need to make them a majority of those who voted, assuming that nothing else has changed since the vote.<br /><br />That's hardly outrageous, is it? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-79877757945367420762019-01-21T15:56:36.037+00:002019-01-21T15:56:36.037+00:00As per usual form, Anon (the troll) somehow arrive...As per usual form, Anon (the troll) somehow arrives at a narrative that, in the run-up<br />to the referendum Leavers were influenced by Hannan, Paterson etc. but strangely not by<br />pro-EU politicians, bankers, corporates, presidents, university professors, international currency <br />speculators etc.<br /><br />How did such feeble-minded creatures so easily fall prey to one message and not the other.<br /><br />Please don't ban him/her, Raedwald - he/she provides much light-hearted relief.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-89167896149869734582019-01-21T15:37:10.903+00:002019-01-21T15:37:10.903+00:00The Anon troll is making the same mistake as the e...The Anon troll is making the same mistake as the establishment. He thinks he knows what we think and why, and with no self-awareness is keen to tell us. He is unaware that a lack of defence for his corrupt EU empire, instead of just attacking us, rather undermines his position.<br /><br />Then he whittles our numbers down: pensioners - they don't count because they'll soon be dead; the followers of Yaxley-Lennon don't count anyway; many of us are thick - so shouldn't have had a vote; angry people obviously don't count; the rest were duped so they don't count either. And despite both campaigns telling us that Leave meant leaving the EU treaties, that doesn't count - just because Anon says so. <br /><br />There, he has satisfied himself that the vote to Leave the EU treaties was really, actually, definitely, lower than Remain's, and didn't mean actually, really leaving the EU. He has too easily convinced himself how clever he is.Budgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-40061231552776988872019-01-21T15:10:16.430+00:002019-01-21T15:10:16.430+00:00Anon has classified a majority of voters as 'd...<br />Anon has classified a majority of voters as 'deplorables' - and look what that got Hillary for doing so.<br /><br />Yes, keep it up Anon - you will be a victim of your own stupidity, like she was.Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-72488113019313990222019-01-21T14:24:54.334+00:002019-01-21T14:24:54.334+00:00Jesus this Anon troll is a small minded wanker.
B...Jesus this Anon troll is a small minded wanker.<br /><br />Begone!!John Dubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10875604165780019096noreply@blogger.com