tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post7063904171488436511..comments2023-09-28T13:28:52.243+01:00Comments on Raedwald: Tax funding for political parties ... againRaedwaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-59255248672746516132018-01-09T23:26:39.011+00:002018-01-09T23:26:39.011+00:00I would give the political class a D based on resu...I would give the political class a D based on results in my lifetime. Our country has gone from being a world leader in nuclear and aerospace and one of the world's great manufacturing nations to a sort of industrial theme park where foreign investors can set up and employ a few grateful Britih peasants. We can't even make our own lawnmowers without help from the Germans. We can't build our own trains even though we invented them. <br /><br />I blame a political class which is stuffed (in both senses of the word) with arts graduates and lawyers. People who value opinion and forms of words more than hard facts. They have no idea how far behind the UK has become in technical education and work ethic compared with the powerhouses of East Asia. In terms of infrastructure. transport and general customer service the UK is terrible and if Corbyn becomes PM it will be the worst managed country in the developed world.rick hamiltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-91747002053210135762018-01-09T16:22:05.982+00:002018-01-09T16:22:05.982+00:00Cuffley
Brexit showed what happens when people fo...Cuffley<br /><br />Brexit showed what happens when people forget their "party allegiance" and vote sensibly in their best interests. It was a repudiation of most MP's and parties. <br />The troughers of all stripes are now thrashing around trying to exert whatever authority they believe they have in an attempt to "improve" parliament, thus the "give us more money and we will produce results" fallacy.<br />BTW, I see in my previous comment I have lost the ability of simple arithmetic it is seventy years of failure since 1948, why would anybody perpetuate that. We have talked here before of the need for sensible "real" people in politics-housewives and pipefitters-rather than lawyers, PPE dribblers and vicars daughters of no ability, they cannot presently be elected, destroy the party system with its inbuilt selection committees for better candidates.<br />A better idea would be to hold another referendum-do you want to pay more tax to fund existing political parties-and lets see the result. Cascadiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-31307009564966913632018-01-09T07:53:12.659+00:002018-01-09T07:53:12.659+00:00Cascadian - you are right that the parties (everyw...Cascadian - you are right that the parties (everywhere) have betrayed their electorates.<br /><br />However the party system wasn't so much invented as evolved, and it is I think inevitable in any political system that they will evolve.<br /><br />The triumph of the alglo model in the early days was due I would say largely to the personal integrity of the participants quite possibly a result of their christian heritage, and to some extent the technological limitations which prevented them from being as offensively interventionist as the scum that invest more modern parliaments.<br /><br />In general tabloid newspapers and social media do no contribute to high quality political debate as everything is reduced to headlines and likes.<br /><br />In our comfortable rich societies there is little incentive to voters to think too hard about difficult issues.<br /><br />Brexit will not be a panacea, but it is a step in the right direction, but only if we as an electorate work to hold them to account. Will we?<br /><br />I'm not holding my breath but there's a better chance out than in!Cuffleyburgersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-30530376665573428142018-01-09T07:46:03.136+00:002018-01-09T07:46:03.136+00:00Radders said:
"There are other funding issue...Radders said:<br /><br />"There are other funding issues - unions, the global corporates, Soros and so on that need regulating, and we need to keep democracy going as we make the change from the old 20th century model of political parties to something different.<br /><br />I don't know what the new models will be, but I'm pretty sure that a Britain free of Europe will blaze a trail of renewed democracy and genuine inclusive participation. " /quote.<br /><br />Yes R, but imho, once, if and when we manage to sever the EU umbilical, shutting down all of the above (1st paragraph) will be the biggest battle ever undertaken 'in times of peace' and it needs to be done - desperately so.Ravenscar.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-62983470392090012592018-01-09T02:45:08.939+00:002018-01-09T02:45:08.939+00:00Tax funding for political parties.......NO!..... a...Tax funding for political parties.......NO!..... again.<br /><br />Why promote another time-server to carry out a hearing that is not required. As many here have noted, the electorate have successfully de-legitimized the three trough-parties. Let time do it's work and kill them off.<br /><br />Judging by what has been achieved by a true independent candidate -Trump in the USA (whatever you may think of him)-party politics is over-rated. Just review the half-century of failure that has marked yUK politics, and it can easily be argued that the half-century of failure would extend further were it not for the Marshall plan and generous write-offs from the commonwealth countries. Party politics is THE problem, allow 650 (my preference would be for many less) MP's to vote independently on each issue for a much improved parliament.Cascadiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-59162256990521694762018-01-08T21:42:18.350+00:002018-01-08T21:42:18.350+00:00Ravenscar - I'm as utterly opposed to tax fund...Ravenscar - I'm as utterly opposed to tax funding as you are. <br /><br />There are other funding issues - unions, the global corporates, Soros and so on that need regulating, and we need to keep democracy going as we make the change from the old 20th century model of political parties to something different. <br /><br />I don't know what the new models will be, but I'm pretty sure that a Britain free of Europe will blaze a trail of renewed democracy and genuine inclusive participation. Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-90727458581846181992018-01-08T20:56:39.802+00:002018-01-08T20:56:39.802+00:00Taxpayers dosh for political parties?
For fucks s...Taxpayers dosh for political parties?<br /><br />For fucks sake I thought we were leaving the empire of doom not emulating the fuckers.<br /><br />NEVER, NEVER, NEVER.Ravenscar.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-64343739615860191432018-01-08T16:47:29.338+00:002018-01-08T16:47:29.338+00:00"Several dozen of today's senior Tories c..."Several dozen of today's senior Tories could have slotted into Mandelson's New Labour and no one would have noticed. The Conservative brand is irredeemably fucked."<br /><br />The globalists have captured them all.<br /><br />Its Islam and mass immigration for ever. And no Brexit in real terms what ever fudge they come up with.<br />John Dubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10875604165780019096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-72925142502318541292018-01-08T14:16:37.857+00:002018-01-08T14:16:37.857+00:00Mr Ecks said @ 09:29
'That BluLabour are down...Mr Ecks said @ 09:29<br /><br />'That BluLabour are down is their own fucking doing. Start being actual Conservatives and the numbers will go back up again.'<br /><br />and:<br /><br />Cuffleyburgers said @ 11:20<br /> <br />'It's hardly surprising Tory membership has collapsed. They are now roughly where Blair was, and there is precious little sign of any recognizable conservative policy.'<br /><br />Well there you have it Raedwald, I'm guessing two folk who've probably been voting Tory most of their lives and have now, like your good self, virtually given up on the party. It'll take years to de-Blair the Tories and with a Third Way prime minister right now in the job that process won't even start. Several dozen of today's senior Tories could have slotted into Mandelson's New Labour and no one would have noticed. The Conservative brand is irredeemably fucked.<br /><br />Not a farthing for any of them: they sold us out and they know it. Their contract with the People is null and void. It's musket time. <br /><br />SteveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-28175877319411463852018-01-08T12:42:23.841+00:002018-01-08T12:42:23.841+00:00EP - The very reasons that the party lost a millio...EP - The very reasons that the party lost a million members between 1979 and 1987, when the party centralised all power from both local government and local constituency associations. All that was left for me at the time was a decent snooker table with a large photo of Winston on one wall, a rather sleazy and grimy little bar with bald velveteen cushions and candidates for wifedom. I lapsed. Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-58104267830190588662018-01-08T12:39:48.811+00:002018-01-08T12:39:48.811+00:00That BluLabour are down is their own fucking doing...<b>That BluLabour are down is their own fucking doing. Start being actual Conservatives and the numbers will go back up again.</b>- MrX<br /><br />THIS! <br /><br /><b> wealthy individual LEAVE funders are being hit for 20% inheritance tax </b><br /><br />This is just all kinds of wrong. jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-6091853804245056852018-01-08T12:31:48.899+00:002018-01-08T12:31:48.899+00:00I once considered joining the Conservative Party, ...I once considered joining the Conservative Party, but discovered that you got nothing for your membership fee. You didn't have a say in party policy nor did you have a voice in selecting the local parliamentary candidate. <br />So what's the point of membership?English Pensionerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15271488641341955140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-50666672850380646782018-01-08T11:20:39.640+00:002018-01-08T11:20:39.640+00:00It's hardly surprising Tory membership has col...It's hardly surprising Tory membership has collapsed. They are now roughly where Blair was, and there is precious little sign of any recognizable conservative policy.<br /><br />I don't think membership will ever go back up again, that is an old fashioned pre-social media approach.<br /><br />The opportunity is there for somebody to invent a new social media based approach, probably harvesting facebook likes or something.<br /><br />Only dinosaurs like me will be excluded, and franckly I couldn't give much a f@#k about that.Cuffleyburgersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-69493933031840715562018-01-08T10:11:39.289+00:002018-01-08T10:11:39.289+00:00Parties and factions are an unavoidable evil, not ...Parties and factions are an unavoidable evil, not something to be encouraged, certainly not by the taxpayer.<br /><br />If people want to gang up in groups, that's up to them. But ideally, each MP should vote on each question according to his or her own opinions and judgement.<br /><br />Don CoxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-8432636642516653802018-01-08T09:29:20.498+00:002018-01-08T09:29:20.498+00:00
That BluLabour are down is their own fucking doin...<br />That BluLabour are down is their own fucking doing. Start being actual Conservatives and the numbers will go back up again.<br /><br />No funding for any of the bastards.Mr Ecksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-62519367509412224602018-01-08T09:10:12.725+00:002018-01-08T09:10:12.725+00:00DeeDee99
You could add ex MP Gisela Stuart and cur...DeeDee99<br />You could add ex MP Gisela Stuart and current MP Kate Hoey. I would also recommend JR-M<br /><br />It won't happen of course, because the whole system is as bent as a marzipan fishing rod.rapscallionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-60926137537465562242018-01-08T08:46:41.781+00:002018-01-08T08:46:41.781+00:00Frank Field.Frank Field.DeeDee99https://www.blogger.com/profile/06753473473887381622noreply@blogger.com