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Wednesday, 25 April 2007

It woz The Sun wot got it wrong

Despite the Sun's belief to the contrary, the government has yet to make an announcement on the Navy's two new carriers. In 2003 Hoon announced the alliance of firms that would build the UK's new carriers; since then, the project has been mired in prevarication and dissimulation. Suspicions now are that Brown is postponing any announcement until the 2007 CSR - and that one of the vessels could be cancelled.

Now I've no idea whether we need carriers more than frigates or patrol boats, but what I am sure of is that we're spending £20bn a year on defence but £80bn a year on non-pension welfare payments; as with Gibbon's Rome, this portends a nation in decline. And Brown's old-fashioned redistributive welfare socialism doesn't give a shit about Britain or national security.

Getting rid of this scurrilous, treasonous cabal of corrupt and bankrupt ministers is becoming more urgent than ever.


mens sana said...

There's no point in having carriers without planes to fly on them or anti-aircraft vessels to defend them etc.

I think we should keep them but if so we need to invest in the Navy properly. If something has to go I would far rather it was Trident.

If we are not going to invest in the Navy we should admit it and downgrade our capability to a coastal defence force. Perhaps we can buy a few of those little gunboats from Iran-they seem quite effective.

nick drew said...

I tell you what we are really going to need: quite a large blue-water fleet of whatever vessels are best suited to anti-piracy operations, as we become ever more dependent on imported gas, oil and coal from distant parts. Piracy on the high seas is once more a booming industry.

Raedwald you must surely be right that McBroon will scrap one or both carriers - and to be honest they are not obviously value -for-money anyway. There are cheaper ways of getting strike-power aloft and delivered to distant parts.

Which brings us to MS's point on Trident. There is no point in a deterrent that is not truly independent (and bloody expensive). The right answer is probably to develop our own nuc-tipped cruise missiles, able to be deployed from planes / ships / subs etc (plus the necessary GPS capablity). Rogue states may well be able to develop small nucs, but never a fleet of hunter-killer subs.

Guthrum said...

As Adam Smith said Defence before Luxury, the bread and circus' mentality of Nu Labour beggars belief

Newmania said...

The Liberals have got is wrong on Iraq they are hugging themnselves at their popularity but I belive that deep in out reptilian brains we want to protect our stuff,.. Thats the primary job of the governement.

We are the most open market in the world and cannot afford to be isolationist. We cannot ask people to go off to die in shoddy equipment.

Its odd how its often the sheer incompetence not the ideological lunacy that catches the left. It was much that way with my own special favourite La Hodge in Islington

mens sana said...

There are cheaper ways of getting strike-power aloft and delivered to distant parts.

I'm not so sure. The last time the discussion about carriers was had was when they were thinking about getting rid of the old Ark Royal. Apparently the RAF produced a map to show that they could cover anywhere in the world from land bases to which we had access.

My contact in the Navy tells me that it was only after this presentation was made that they noticed that Australia had been moved

Apparently duplicity and spin is not confined to politicians

Electro Kevin said...

I feel that the salient point here is the disparity between welfare expenditure and defence.

Gordon Brown a good chancellor ?

Anonymous said...

Is this all true??

Raedwald said...

Mutley - £80bn a year on non-pension welfare benefits is a pretty robust figure; I'll blog on this in detail before long. Income support, jobseekers's allowance, housing benefits, tax credits, invalidity benefit etc. Plus the welfare payments that appear in departmental budgets other than DWP.

The MOD not knowing where Australia is doesn't surprise me either; one of our warships crashed into it a couple of years ago. Maybe they should put some signs up.