Friday, 7 December 2012

They'll miss us when we're gone

From Snr JI Torreblanca writing in El Pais;

If we examine the legacy that the UK has left Europe, the list is anything but small.

First, the number of members. That we are 27 (soon 28) is due in large part to the continued support from the UK to EU enlargement. The fact is that we are a large, open Europe largely thanks to the UK. The same is true of the internal market; no nation has led the project like the UK, which has been and is a major source of wealth and well-being of Europeans and we have also the main asset and appeal of the European presence in the world. From the eighties of the last century, thanks to the vision of the UK, and its support of the use of qualified majority for matters related to the internal market, we have made rapid progress on the path of market creation, inward and outward , while keeping under constant budgetary control policies such as agriculture, which came to rampage and absorb more than half of the EU budget. Unfortunately, the EU has a budget too small, largely because of the United Kingdom, but also more rational, transparent and geared to innovation and jobs through the British effort clip the wings of the alliance between regional agricultural stakeholders and European bureaucracy.  

And it is also true that the EU, with its variable geometry, in which Danish, Irish, Swedish and British can accommodate their desire not to be part of the Euro, that defence, freedom of movement and social policy is also the responsibility of London. Not to mention foreign policy and European security, inconceivable without the participation of the United Kingdom, as the Germans, as has been demonstrated many times, are not up to the job of helping the EU to become a global player. The fact is that, for better or worse, whether we like it or not, the legacy of the United Kingdom is a powerful and current one. It is paradoxical that the UK has to leave the EU it is moulded so deeply. And on top, after they leave, we will continue using English to understand a British Europe without Britain.


Budgie said...

Eire has the euro.

Anonymous said...

Damned praise from feint Daigo.

Lets get out and then they may all realise what they were missing.

It wouldn't have been too bad, if it was not for the Frogs, at every turn they've stuffed us and then dressed us up as turkeys too.

Europe, is a doomed model, time to embark and to set sail and trade with the our allies in the Anglosphere and Asia - like we always did.

Paul said...

José Ignacio Torreblanca: That we are 27 (soon 28) is due in large part to the continued support from the UK to EU enlargement. The fact is that we are a large, open Europe largely thanks to the UK.

Erm, excuse me José - you're talking about the UK's Government and Civil Service and not most of the people of the actual United Kingdom.

You can piss off and take any thoughts of retaking British Gibraltar with you.

Budgie said...

No they won't miss us, they will be glad. And if we are sensible so will we.

I cannot think of one major policy area that has gone the UK's way. And don't say the Single Market because it costs 3 times its benefits.

banned said...

no nation('s European Servants) has led the project like (those of) the UK

DeeDee99 said...

"Unfortunately, the EU has a budget too small, largely because of the UK."

Err .... we are the second largest net contributor. It's not OUR fault that budget is "too small" it's the fault of countries like Spain, which in net terms contribute nothing but benefit from roads, airports and other infrastructure all built with OUR money and the CAP, to subsidise their agricultural industry.

When we leave, the EU will miss a great deal more than British commonsense. It will miss £12 billion a year in subscription fees.

Anonymous said...

13.3 billion.
Of which some 6 billion is "recovered" by grants and other EU payments.
Leaving would be a pain, requiring much work over several years because of the way legislation is interwoven.
And it wouldn't mean a torrent of eu migrants going home either.
Certainly it would also mean a lot of businesses departing abroad, since duties would be levied upon goods exported.
Better to negotiate the departure and join the EEA.

Anonymous said...

"And it wouldn't mean a torrent of eu migrants going home either."

It would if and when the gov' cut their entitlements and benefits to zero.

Budgie said...

JohnM, actually £16 billion gross this year. And when the EU spends some of it in this country (which is what you europhiles call "recovering" some of the money) the UK actually has to match their spend, but at the EU's choice not ours. So the real direct cost is the gross plus the extra match spending - about £20 billion.

On top of that is the costs attributable to the EU technocratic/bureaucratic way of doing things and the serious inefficiences of the Single Market. Some of this extra cost is due to our government gold plating EU legislation it is true, but would not be there if the legislation was not there in the first place.

Neither would leaving be a pain. The legislative "interweaving" is not as bad as is made out (by europhiles, of course). Directives are already enacted by UK legislation anyway, and Regulations would simply cease to apply.

International trade is largely under WTO rules, so EU rules are irrelevant. Only half our exports, that is 10% of UK GDP (and shrinking) is with the EU. If the EU put levies on our exports we could either charge levies on their exports to us and/or sort it out at the WTO level. Again this is a europhile red-herring.

There is just no compelling reason to be in the EU.

Anonymous said...

Entitlements and benefits.
Piffle. There are 400,000 French citizens (not crown subjects) working in London alone.
The vast majority of migrants from the EU have employment here, and several million Britons have employment in EU countries.
Try tit-for-tat.
It's the same old Westminster two-step.
Approaching the election it will be announced that Call-Me-Daves mob will hold an in-out election on EU membership if re-elected...and eventually it will arrive, after intense publicity, and it will be a carefully slanted referendum.
Betcha people vote to stay.
That'll be game-over for another quarter century.
Neither of the two main parties want to leave, and UKIP will sink into the bottom of the vote next general election, probably along with the Lem-Drips.
We'll see.
I have a distinct "been here before" feeling.