Monday, 9 February 2015

Islamist protest against free speech

Let's be very clear on a couple of points. Firstly, there is absolutely no moral equivalency between drawing funny pictures of the Moslem prophet Mohammed and slaughtering journalists for doing their job. Secondly, drawing, publishing or reproducing cartoons of Mohammed is not a hate crime; it is the unlawful reaction to such exhibition or publication that is the crime.  

There is hope that this message has got through to the mainstream Muslim community in Britain, for yesterday's London 'demonstration' by the Moslem Action Forum was attended by barely 1,000 - the sort of figure that PETA or the flat-earthers get. They claimed to have a petition with 100,000 signatures, but didn't say how many were by different people.

These hard-line Islamists are utterly opposed to free speech and western democratic standards - and as the women were separated from the men, one wondered at the debate they must have held about whether to keep the women at home and only have 500 on the street or to allow the girls out (carefully segregated) to make better pictures.

I'm sorry if they hate our freedoms so much, but there it is. As the Moslem Mayor of Rotterdam said, if they don't like it, they can fuck off. And as our Prime Minister said, there is no room in the UK for Islamism.


Anonymous said...

Pretty much what I think.

Except, I can see this sort of protest gaining numbers, if you read what was said on some of the placards - they got away with it .....did they ever believe that they wouldn't - I rather think not. All of that and the authorities clearly were bricking it - see the stabbing in Hackney - coppers attacked. This ongoing seepage, that can only embolden and big up the 'British' Muslim Wahhabist cult.

Edward Spalton said...

It is not Islamism which is the problem but Islam itself. The example and teachings of their prophet, as recorded in the Kuran, Hadith and Sunna are the final revelation of Allah to mankind this side of time and unalterable.

One of the first victims of Islam was a satirist, a woman poet called Asma bint Marwan. She had made satirical verses on Muhammad and his religion. Like Henry II the prophet exclaimed " Will no-one rid me of the daughter of Marwan?" A henchman called Umayr obliged and stabbed her to death as she was nursing her youngest child. The prophet praised the killer and the rest of the family converted to Islam the next morning. The Charlie Hebdo killers were following a holy precedent. Hence the recent demonstrations in London against free speech.

DeeDee99 said...

I expect the irony of using free speech laws to protest against free speech has bypassed them?

Edward Spalton said...


I don't think they "do irony"!

If anyone requires a a readable account of the history, theology and impact on the world of Islam, I would recommend
"The Sword of the Prophet" (2002) ISBN
1-928653-11-1 by Serge Trifkovic.
It is still available on Amazon UK but I would not be surprised if they suppressed it, as a result of the sort of incident which prompted this article. The episode I mention is reported on page 39.

I got to know Dr Trifkovic quite well over some years through the Lord Byron Foundation for Balkan Studies. He was foreign editor of the American paleo conservative journal "Chronicles" and I rate him highly as a journalist and historian.

His book "Krajina Chronicle" is a very even-handed history of the centuries old Serbian community which used to live in that part of Yugoslavia but was expelled with the assistance of Western air power in Operation Storm (1995)
(The West supported clerico-fascists in Croatia and Islamic fundamentalists in Bosnia)

Mike Spilligan said...

Maybe one of the difficulties compounding the multi-faceted problems here is that translations from Arabic to English (for example) are not always clear and unequivocal. I worked in Iran for a couple of years - prior to 1979 - and it was frequently the case that no word in Farsi (largely Arabic) was the true equal of the English one. In some technical documents the typists would have to take the paper out of their Farsi typewriter - leave a gap, remembering that Farsi is written from right to left - insert the original English; L to R - then carry on; leaving the recipient to work out what was intended!
Let me add I support what you say, but why do our MSM exaggerate the importance of the demo instead of ridiculing it?

Edward Spalton said...

I am sure you are right about translations. There are even difficulties in giving the exact meaning and flavour of words and phrases in other, related European languages.And it works the other way round too. There is no equivalent word for "fairness" in German - equity, equality and so on, yes but not fairness. So you sometimes hear German politicians say
"Man muss in aller Fairness sagen"
"One must say in all fairness".

And of course there is a huge traffic in the opposite direction with concepts like "Weltanschauung" and "Schadenfreude".

But you get real problems with a short word like "Volk" - people.
It can translate directly as "folk" for folk song and folk dance" but also means nation so International law
is "Voelkerrecht" (law of peoples). It carries a load of mystical, biological and cultural senses too and is sometimes seen as a community of all those factors , outside which the individual is but an "atomised" being without valid, sustainable existence.

You usually know what sense an author intends for the word but it is very difficult to render his intention into English without a rather convoluted footnote.

However, to come back to the point: It appears it is OK for Muslims to carry placards inciting people to crimes - an offence for which we mere natives would rightly be arrested and charged.
That, I think, is the importance and why we need to shout loudly.

English Pensioner said...

Adding to the points made by Mike Spilligan, the meaning of words change over the years. I remember from school that in Shakespeare's time, "presently" meant "immediately", now it means "in a minute". So not only do you have to translate, but you have to find out what the words meant when they were written.

Edward Spalton said...

English Pensioner -

Like the prayer "Prevent us, O Lord, in all our doings" where "prevent" actually means "go before" . Nowadays it means "stop" but in 1662 it had the original meaning.

These things are mostly quite easily spotted and allowed for by a competent translator.

G. Tingey said...

The West supported clerico-fascists in Croatia and Islamic fundamentalists in Bosnia) Cobblers
So, Slobodan M & his nasty followers were a figment of the imagination, were they?
I agree that no "side" in Bosnia was entirely in the right, but that is another story.
And the islamic fundamentalists only arrived in Bosnia AFTER the fighting started ....

Edward Spalton said...


None of the Balkan leaders were angels. If you look up the record, you will find the Croatian leader Tudjman's book where he praises genocide as a natural phenomenon "not only commended but commanded by the Almighty in defence of the one true religion" (Roman Catholicism) and Alia Isetbegovic, the Bosnian leader writing that all institutions must be supplanted by Muslim ones. With a nod and a wink from the West, Jihadi warriors from the Islamic world were imported into the fight.

These were the people the West backed as bringers of "European values"!

I would also recommend John Laughland's book on the trial of Milosevic which was a travesty. I am not pronouncing him innocent of all charges but it was hugely convenient that he died when he did.

For someone who did not have a dog in the fight I would recommend the Canadian general Lewis Mackenzie's account of Srebrenica.

You used to be able to get it by Googling
Major General Lewis Mackenzie Srebrenica

and, of course, you get the vituperative character assassination of him too. It was Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry who discovered the Croatian massacres of Serbs in the Medak Pocket , following Operation Storm (which was backed by Western air power).

I have had the opportunity of discussing the whole business with the former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia, James Bissett and he endorsed Mackenzie's account and much else.