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Saturday, 8 October 2016

Three reasons the UK is an easy touch for migrants

I've had the same post-Brexit vote conversation with numerous Austrians, all of them travelled, all English speakers, aged from twenty to sixty, and they have repeatedly identified three factors that make the UK uniquely attractive to economic migrants.

All non-Austrian residents must officially notify their presence and location to the government for every day of their stay in the country; this is the reason for the standardised hotel registration form, and even if you are staying with friends, in a rented farmhouse or in your own house, you must submit a notification to the local council. For EU nationals, you can stay for up to three months; after that, you need to obtain permission for residency, which will need proof of income / resources / employment, proof of medical insurance and proof of identity. 

None of this applies in the UK. Once past border control, anyone coming to the UK is lost to official knowledge, EU nationals can stay indefinitely with no further proof or registration and the government has absolutely no idea how many visitors / migrants are in the country or where they are.

Car registration
Here the number plates are issued to the driver, not the car. They fit easily with little spring clips, and you can use the same plates on up to three cars, paying insurance only for the most expensive. Plates are issued by insurance companies through local offices staffed with clever and capable office ladies who scrutinise carefully all documents and make it virtually impossible for a non-qualifying driver to get a pair of plates. Only EU or international driving licences work here, and you still need insurance to get a pair of plates. This means you will see in the Summer in the cities loads of gloomy migrants on bicycles. Mostly they have to be taught to ride them, and it's a comic sight to see a squad of former Sryian tank commanders, Iraqi tanker drivers and Afghani taxi operators wobbling around a sports centre car park on learner bikes. Being confined to cycles and watching Austrian women confidently whizzing about in cars really pisses them off. 

In the UK of course you can buy a car compete with plates in the pub, and drive it about without any insurance unless you're caught by ANPR cameras or have to abandon it after an accident. The ability to own and / or drive vehicles with hardly any checks in the UK is believed here to be a major pull.

Health treatment
An engineering manager here had a slight accident when on holiday in the UK and was surprised that he was treated at every stage without having to produce a single document, form or proof of reciprocal insurance. He asked several times with whom he should establish such details, and was told we didn't bother with that sort of thing in England; all were treated, whoever asked. This was a few years ago; it was such a stunning omission that he has queried it since several times with others, and also with me. I confirmed that what he already understood was, in fact, the case; the NHS is filled with deeply humanitarian, caring people who genuinely see no problem in providing treatment completely free of charge to anyone that asks. 

Here, your insurer (cost about £100 a month for me) provides you with an e-card that entitles one to treatment. You can use any GP you like but the first thing the receptionist does is scan your card to make sure it's live and access your history. Doctors are paid by the insurance firms per treatment. There are special registration cards for migrants, whose costs are borne by the State. However, treatment is 'care and maintenance' only - any migrants needing expensive or lengthy medical treatments are better off in the UK. Again, lack of checks are felt here to be a major pull.

Of course, many diehard Libertarians may ruffle their feathers and huff that they'd rather have millions of migrants in the UK than have any retreat on personal liberty, but my own experience with the restrictions here is that they're not at all onerous. Austrians also have such a deep commitment to personal privacy that not only is Google's streetview banned here but so are CCTV cameras and drones that can view your land and property, let alone government cyber-snooping as undertaken by GCHQ. I'm starting to believe that just a few simple tweaks to UK systems would reap huge advantages.


Barnacle Bill said...

It is the same with a national ID card, mention it and you get people saying "Not over my dead body!!!" Whilst their eyes are bulging and turning a horrible boiled lobster shade of red.

Yet they have already surrendered to the state more information than a simple national ID card would require.

I agreed on all three points you list. I have had first hand experience of so called "refugees" being given money to buy a car by our lovely government with-out even checking the recipient has a proper driving licence in the first place!

I believe that a free national ID card, which could be re-validated by a simple stamp at your polling station, would go a long way to actually making us feel freer and safer in our own country.

I'm now ducking below the parapet as the Colonel Mustards start lobbing candle sticks in my direction.

Poisonedchalice said...

R, as I read your excellent piece, I wondered if Teresa May had read it, or indeed would benefit from reading it. In fact, if you don't mind, I am going to paste your URL into an email to her.

I hope she pays you well for your sage advice!

mike fowle said...

Very interesting article. It's always good to hear from someone with direct experience rather than a superficial journalist who has just cobbled a few bits and bobs of info from google or Wikipedia.

Dave_G said...

BB - I used to be of the lobster-red brigade but have mitigated my stance in recent years after accepting that the cure is far better than the disease.

Given that practically any institute can 'phone me' despite being ex-directory and not publishing my mobile phone number is but one indication that personal details are passed amongst anyone who cares to desire them (for a fee no doubt) in total disregard for any personal privacy.

But we should never forget or be detracted from the REAL reason such security practicalities are not instigated and that is the establishment DESIRE to destroy our way of life and dilute our 'rights' by means of immigration to the extent that any voice we may wish to raise will be drowned out by the 'imported' counter-activists.

It's not a case of 'can't' - it's always been a case of 'won't'.

Anonymous said...

I get it and ID cards may have to be, though I hate the very idea.

Though, any official identity document will be easy to forge and in Britain there is a dedicated industry engaged with producing forged UK documents and many of these are pretty darned good - ID cards yes but! then think.... and all that data on a few discs in some civil servant's fundo follower alan snackbarmen mits..............FFS.

Radders ideas are dead on - im very ho, their efficacy is clear to behold.

James Higham said...

An engineering manager here had a slight accident when on holiday in the UK and was surprised that he was treated at every stage without having to produce a single document, form or proof of reciprocal insurance. He

There it is. Although I had that in Finland.

Anonymous said...

Yes Raedwald, along with being three very good attractions for poorer immigrants to the UK...

... they are also three very good reasons why a tax paying national would want to leave, or have one's government do something about.

But as Rahim Kassam pointed out when he was asked about Nigel Farage's comments on HIV treatment at the last general election...

...His comments were shock-ing and awe-ful.

A good interview, but the particular comment is at 20:50.


Mr Ecks said...

All ID card fans can insert them sideways up your rectums.

Fuck living in a police state to keep migrants out. TPTB just need TO KEEP THE FUCKING MIGRANTS OUT.

They aren't hard to identify after all.

This nation needs to start hanging a few ID card fans to encourage the others.

Barnacle Bill said...

Mr Ecks before you pull the trap door lever on me please consider this -

If you are a car owner/driver you have probably already provided the same information a national ID card would require to both the DVLA and your insurers. Information that you updte as you change car or move home.

If you are a home owner/pay rates again the local government has the same sort of level of information from you as the proposed ID card would need.

I could continue to list examples but as I can see your hand tightening on the lever I will keep this short.

All of these are "trade offs" between the State and I, something I would enter into if I knew that it would mean we had properly secure borders and control. That our government knew exactly who was in this country and roughly where to find them. Also that our NHS and benefits system was monitoring who had free access, who had to pay or, even the right to use those services. That the right to vote and who was using that vote was controlled.

And finally that the clown just driving off from Slippery Sam's car lot doesn't have a driving licence, nor any insurance, when my family and I venture out.

Ok pull the lever now.

Barnacle Bill said...

"And finally that the clown just driving off from Slippery Sam's car lot doesn't have a driving licence, nor any insurance, when my family and I venture out.

I think that should read better as -

"And finally that the clown just driving off from Slippery Sam's car lot does have a driving licence and insurance, when my family and I venture out."

Thanks Mr Ecks for that brief pause to correct things.

Mr Ecks said...

All praise be to driving licences that save those thousands who die on the roads every ye....Oh wait--they're still dead?

That would mean that fee-paying state permission to breathe isn't worth shit. Oh No--that can't be right. That would mean that Driving licences--like all the rest of the state's toilet paper is a scam to control and rip us off.

So an ID card is the political scums plan to "protect" us from the problems the political scum caused in the first place.

Nothing personal Bill but I would hang you--and all other IDC fans if I could.

G. Tingey said...

And the COST of administering all these checks, that Raedwald mentions?

Also, if you are a UK driver, you already have an ID card - it's called the (new-style) driving licence.

As for unlicensed/uninsured cars, plod have finally caught up.
They find a temporarily empty car-par by a busy road, put an ANPR camera down the road - & when the computer shouts "GOT ONE!" a plod standing by the car park carefully directs said vehicle into car-park. Fun ensues, whilst all such cars are searched, while they are at it - believe me they find lots of interesting stuff.

I found this out when the park for our local swimming-pool was out of use (Pool being rebuilt) & I turned in ( because allotment gates were at the back) to find about 15 cars being examined, details taken & one bloke being cuffed & removed - massive mutual misunderstanding, because, of course, plod inside didn't realise I wasn't a "customer" & I told them they were welcome to search my 15 bags of fresh steaming horse-manure in the back of the L-R (!)
An hour-&-a-half later, I drove out, tooted at plod, who smiled, waved back & carried on with the "customers" they were still collecting. All very amusing.

Raedwald said...

Greg - re cost, you need localism, which has yet to reach the UK.

All our Meldezettel here (pop. 2,500) are handled by Alexandra, one of 8 staff at the Town Hall, along with her many other duties. They still use manual systems and rubber stamps here, which makes them marginally more efficient than those using computer systems.

Residence permits are dealt with by the Bezirkhauptmannschaft - three ladies in each population centre of 60k people or more

The health service and vehicle registration are administered by the insurance companies - so reasonably efficiently

The downside is that there's no room for error. For everything you need to understand the complex directions (available only in German - no multilingual translations here) and have exactly the right documents and copies in exactly the correct number and format.

Anonymous said...

@ G. Tingey

Around our way we know when plod is out doing vehicle checks or HMRC are looking for red diesel etc ... The taxi in front of you suddenly does an unexpected U-turn.

Sure enough a bit further along the road there's plod or whoever.

Anonymous said...

The big objection to ID cards is that you can be stopped in the street at any time with a demand to "show your papers". In a free country, you can go anywhere without any papers, and without having to get permission to travel.

I think Raedwald's examples are much too specific. What people from outside the EU know is that Britain is a great place to live, almost a paradise on Earth. It may not seem that way to us, but it does to an Eritrean.

Immigration is the sincerest form of flattery.

Don Cox

Anonymous said...

Don Cox said @ 13:03:

'Immigration is the sincerest form of flattery.'

Not really. If England were dirt poor they wouldn't pack a raincoat and walk halfway across the world to get here - to remain poor and be cold and damp with it. I don't think so. Free stuff mate: housing, healthcare and free money is what draws them here. I've seen towns drained of social housing in my work for English Witness, local hospitals unable to cope and school classroom sizes almost double.


Edward Spalton said...

Whilst the controversy over identity cards was at its height here, I entertained three South African clergymen from the Xhosa tribe. They were big jolly men. When I told them about the proposed identity cards, they were incredulous. " You mean they are going to treat everybody LIKE KAFFIRS!" ,they exclaimed.

At the same time, a German friend could not see what all the fuss was about. I said that I didn't feel the need for an official document to confirm my existence. I knew who I was and if other people didn't that was their problem rather than mine.

Then I wanted some cash out of my bank - around £1,200 . I had my cheque book and bank card but they demanded photographic ID
" for your own protection, Sir" I pointed out that i had an account with that bank since my father opened one for me in 1943 , so they
should no me by now . They even had the cheek to ask me what i wanted it for. " BECAUSE IT'S MINE" I said " I am not a little boy asking for more pocket money". They were somewhat taken aback

DeeDee99 said...

The British Establishment isn't interested in good governance in the UK; they're far more interested in being the No.2 to America and appeasing the 3rd world.

Instead of a process to ensure that no-one can drive without passing a test and having the right insurance and credentials, our Government would rather spend a small fortune on APNR cameras and CCTV on our motorways and city roads. The policy is one of mass surveillance, charging taxpayers for it and - occasionally identifying a criminal after they've committed the crime.

Wildgoose said...

The point about ID cards is that the moment you give the State the right to confirm your identity, you also give them the right to deny it.

I fully accept that driving licenses and the like are being used as surrogate ID cards - my elder daughter has a provisional license photocard to use as ID for pubs and nightclubs even though she is not interested in learning to drive.

But that is a voluntary choice.

ID cards are compulsory. There is genuine truth in the "Papers, please!" trope, which I can bear witness to - it has happened to me, in France.

backofanenvelope said...

A few years ago, my son and step daughter were both vetted by the security service because of their jobs. Large amounts of information about them and their relatives were required, plus references from people who weren't relatives. I am already on this database because I was in the RAF; as is my wife, as her first husband was also in the RAF.

How many people are on this db I wonder.

Budgie said...

Barnacle Bill, The explanation for the dispute between yourself and those of us opposed to ID cards follows from the two sides being at cross-purposes.

You advocate a "simple national ID card" which could be "re-validated by a simple stamp at your polling station". This sounds very like a WW2 style technology paper based card.

What is proposed by the advocates of a modern ID card is entirely different. It is a computer based card like a bank card, able to communicate with all the various state databases currently kept on you but at the moment relatively unconnected, from the NHS, to taxation and work details, via civil and criminal records, bank accounts, etc, etc.

Your type of ID card is very easily forged and therefore quite useless to protect either yourself or the rest of society.

I hope you can see that the newer type is more intrusive already, and has the potential to literally control your life, by denying you access to anything if you do not obey. There are plans to ID "chip" every citizen, like dogs, so there can be no excuse for losing or forgetting your card.

Once the state "owns" my identity, I am merely a serf.

anon 2 said...

Not EVEN a serf. So there you are, Budgie @ 12:36

And don't say Huxley, Orwell, et al. never warned you. There's a good film of "Brave New World" on you tube.

Weekend Yachtsman said...

I believe that in France, if you go for any non-first-aid medical treatment, the first thing you must do is produce the document showing your French tax payments are up to date. I'm cool with that.

What I am not cool with, is the kind of all-encompassing life-controlling remotely-manageable obedience-enforcing "card" which was Blair's wet dream, probably still is May's wet dream, as described by Budgie above.

What I am absolutely not cool with, is having to produce said token at any time on demand of plod, plastic plod, traffic warden or (most likely) practically any council or NHS worker who wants to put me in my place. Because that is how it would be used. Naturally it would not be so used against the protected classes, for fear of "causing offence", or for fear of the hassle caused by an accusation of racism, or for the simple fear of a punch in the face.

pen seive said...

I recently had to renew my driving licence and had the choice of either submitting two new passport style photographs, in which case everything had to go through the postal system, or having DVLA use the photo in my passport. I chose the latter and the whole process took less than 15 minutes. If DVLA can access my passport, what else can they, and other government departments, also access? The main difference between the UK and European countries and the issue of ID cards is that European law tells you what you are allowed to do while UK law tells you what you are not allowed to do. However, I fully agree with the bloggers views.