tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post1346913769366363363..comments2023-09-28T13:28:52.243+01:00Comments on Raedwald: There's no better reason than this for a Clean BrexitRaedwaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-74589585033929953312019-01-13T12:00:39.397+00:002019-01-13T12:00:39.397+00:00Mark the Skint Sailor said: "It doesn't n...Mark the Skint Sailor said: "It doesn't negate the whole free trade thing. We can still make agreements but we can choose not to decimate our own industry as a result of that trade agreement".<br /><br />Jack Ketch said: "Yes, yes it does I'm afraid".<br /><br />No, no it doesn't I'm afraid. On a spectrum from black to white only a very odd pedant would maintain that off white is really black. Mark is correct.<br /><br />There isn't full free trade even within the EU - single-market/customs-union notwithstanding - and there isn't a free market in international trade either. Anyone who thinks that the EU, Germany, China and the USA don't use trade as a weapon is naive.<br /><br />It therefore makes sense for the UK to recognise that reality, and protect its strategic interests whilst aiming for as much free trade as possible. It is precisely the independence gained by leaving the EU treaties that would enable the UK to better protect its own interests, including lowering tariffs where advantageous. The EU looks after the EU, not the UK. And Remains are too gullible to see it.Budgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-23433892714298423292019-01-13T07:42:01.352+00:002019-01-13T07:42:01.352+00:00It doesn't negate the whole free trade thing. ...<i><br />It doesn't negate the whole free trade thing. We can still make agreements but we can choose not to decimate our own industry as a result of that trade agreement.</i>-Mark<br /><br />Yes, yes it does I'm afraid. Don't get me wrong, I have been a fan of Free Trade since I first encountered the idea in O Level Economic & Social History as a kid and <i>if</i> I thought the yUK.gove was <i>really</i> intending to have FT with the rest of the world I'd be a lot happier about BrexSShite. <br /><br />Simply put, and unlike so many here I'm not an expert in such matters, there are two ways of not 'decimating our own industry'; one is by tariffs (or 'legal protections') which , of course, negates the idea of FT, or 2nd by <i>subsidy</i> and any FTA negotiation between states tends to be more a case of 'subsidy poker'....that along with the regulatory aspects (ie should chicken taste of bleach) is the reason why FTAs tend to take years to negotiate despite the idea at their heart being so simple.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-60321855077464178592019-01-13T00:17:01.872+00:002019-01-13T00:17:01.872+00:00Maybe I needed to state "On our own terms&quo...Maybe I needed to state "On our own terms"<br /><br />Tariffs are controlled by the EU, after Brexit we set our own tariffs in our own interest. <br /><br />It doesn't negate the whole free trade thing. We can still make agreements but we can choose not to decimate our own industry as a result of that trade agreement. Where someone negotiating on our behalf may not have our best interests in mind.<br /><br />We currently sample the global smorgasbord through the filter imposed or negotiated by the EU. We can select the goods or services we wish to sample ourselves. <br /><br />The whole thing revolves around the concept of control. The government regains control of tariffs and trade agreements and we the people regain the control of the people representing us in trade terms because we regain the ability to vote for them or not.<br />Mark The Skint Sailorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04892877003107509621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-69265907145883120902019-01-12T23:19:15.205+00:002019-01-12T23:19:15.205+00:00protect our own industries -Mark Skint
That kinda...<i>protect our own industries</i> -Mark Skint<br /><br />That kinda negates the whole 'free trade' thing. Precisely those industries we might wish to protect, will be the very ones our prospective new partners will want to undercut. <br /><br /><i> global smorgasbord of products.</i> Like we don't atm? Last time i checked we already trade with the <br />non EU world far more than with the EU. <br /><br />jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-74867096312839496282019-01-12T21:20:19.047+00:002019-01-12T21:20:19.047+00:00Unhooking ourselves from the high tariff EU bubble...Unhooking ourselves from the high tariff EU bubble means we can exploit the regions of the world that are denied the EU market. <br /><br />The tariffs in place across the whole EU to help certain protected industries can be cast aside and we can choose to protect our own industries but browse the global smorgasbord of products.<br /><br />Mark The Skint Sailorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04892877003107509621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-88239356274479983272019-01-12T20:35:17.761+00:002019-01-12T20:35:17.761+00:00Anon - I recall reading that the Dover crossing co...<br />Anon - I recall reading that the Dover crossing constitutes the 'massive' total of 6% of UK imports/exports.<br /><br />The vast majority of trade comes through our container ports who have already stated that there will be no holdups.<br /><br />Dover is the media's whore when it comes to promoting the scaremongering. Of course, those that have to USE it will be concerned but as for it bringing the country to a standstill? Not a chance.<br /><br />Never forget that the scaremongering is and always will be one-sided. We never hear of any foreign country that exports to us whinging, whining and complaining that the tunnel and/or road transport will be 'insurmountable'.<br /><br />Stop listening to the BBC and reading the MSM.Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-79967350623513372662019-01-12T19:25:34.689+00:002019-01-12T19:25:34.689+00:00Children learn early how to remove crown caps usin...<i><br />Children learn early how to remove crown caps using anything from folded paper to plastic lighters</i><br /><br />One of my few failures to integrate myself fully into German society that was! I never did get the hang of using the feuerzeug to open bier bottles. The Bestes Teetotal Rabid Christian Girl In The Welt could do it with ease of course. It was embarrassing. I got the hang of opening tetrapacks quick enough and rolling cigarettes that looked like cigarettes and not matchsticks but crown caps....nope. jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-67763451939963844762019-01-12T18:49:48.897+00:002019-01-12T18:49:48.897+00:00Beer is not just a drink here. It's a currency...Beer is not just a drink here. It's a currency - I'm now used to negotiating wage costs for small jobs in beer + money. It's a statement of identity - my Munich chums make us drive 30km out of the way here to a warehouse that stocks Bavarian crates. They love the scenery down here, but only when they have a familiar beer in their hands. And if it's not flaschenbier it's not worth drinking. That goes for locals, too. They can't understand me buying slabs of dosenbier - and not just cans, but Viennese brands. They can talk about it endlessly, and are like footy fans in their loyalty to their home brands. <br /><br />I've never seen one in the UK, but all supermarkets here have bottle return machines - either individual bottles in the chute, or complete crates of empties into the scanner hatch. All automatic. You get a cash voucher.<br /><br />Children learn early how to remove crown caps using anything from folded paper to plastic lighters. Never once have I seen anyone use a bottle opener. Smacking the cap with the palm against a projection is laughed at. I normally hand my bottles over to be opened by some juvenile using some small piece of litter. <br /><br />It's really not just a drink here. It's existential. <br /> Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-148701369885359902019-01-12T18:02:01.308+00:002019-01-12T18:02:01.308+00:00Ps. I am aware that Guinness is NOT an English bee...Ps. I am aware that Guinness is NOT an English beer....or even a 'beer' at all ( a porter-stout if I recall?)jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-82243369025572492492019-01-12T17:58:26.876+00:002019-01-12T17:58:26.876+00:00You still can’t get foreign beers in Germany.-Anon...<i>You still can’t get foreign beers in Germany.</i>-Anon<br /><br />Possibly, although with notable exception of Guinness, would anyone in Germany <i>want</i> to drink English beer?!?! That'd be a bit 'coke to Columbia'. When even the smallest , dodgiest Gastwirtschaft enslaved to the local brewery (and there <i>wiil</i> be a local brewery) serves something better than 'concocted' by Big Brewski here? From what I can recall, Germans who want to drink foreign beer go for original Pilsner types or Lambic from Belgium....although I am sure these days there is a market for breakfast-cereal-in-a-bowl tasting 'American' 'beers'.jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-22939316676775509662019-01-12T17:51:09.796+00:002019-01-12T17:51:09.796+00:00Anonymous said...
"You still can’t get forei...Anonymous said...<br /><br />"You still can’t get foreign beers in Germany"<br /><br />"£122bn - Total value of goods passing through Dover in 2017" - Thats's a lot of tin trays!<br /><br />Fuck me, I know Juncker likes a drink but I didn't know our whole economy depended on it!Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-29571286969748664162019-01-12T17:34:01.533+00:002019-01-12T17:34:01.533+00:00Who are the CBI ?
Unlike the ERT they do not pub...Who are the CBI ? <br /><br />Unlike the ERT they do not publish a list of members (I rang them to check).<br /><br />Do they have UK factories or offices ?<br />Are they British owned ?<br />Do they pay any UK taxes ?<br /><br />Apart from the EU (which we do know about) from where/whom does the CBI receive its funding ?<br />John Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01368536835090304923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-82372464324006811752019-01-12T17:18:33.949+00:002019-01-12T17:18:33.949+00:0089 - Lorries used in government’s rehearsal this w...89 - Lorries used in government’s rehearsal this week for increased traffic jams on road to Dover in event of no-deal Brexit<br />16,000 - Lorries which actually go through Dover on busiest days<br />14 - Minutes behind schedule that rehearsal lorries set off, despite not needing customs checks as will be the case in reality<br />£122bn - Total value of goods passing through Dover in 2017<br /><br />Good luck with that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-85063151199834509372019-01-12T17:00:30.392+00:002019-01-12T17:00:30.392+00:00You still can’t get foreign beers in Germany.You still can’t get foreign beers in Germany.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-47239946557543309342019-01-12T16:43:47.956+00:002019-01-12T16:43:47.956+00:00Supply chains.
Have we seen any evidence of compa...Supply chains.<br /><br />Have we seen any evidence of companies in EU countries making concerted efforts to refocus their supply chains, eradicating UK made goods, parts, components, subsystems etc and finding alternates? (Spikes in buying from UK suppliers, an increase in activity at test and certification facilities for certification of resdesigned products etc etc). <br /><br />And supply chains are not just two way, they can often be multi way and extend beyond the UK or EU. A British part goes into an EU made subsystem which comes back to the UK to go in a complete system. A British made part goes into an EU made product for sale to South America, India, Australia or wherever.<br /><br />This is the reality of much international trade these days. Is this all going to stop on March 30th? A barrier is going to appear which will make the border between North and South Korea seem like the one between East and West Sussex? If they're going to stop cheese and shoddy tin trays, how can they not disrupt the rest? Or are they going to selectively target certain sectors and products (which would be interesting).Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-56184711822396725262019-01-12T16:40:06.959+00:002019-01-12T16:40:06.959+00:00Anon - you're not actually in the road haulage...Anon - you're not actually in the road haulage industry, are you?<br /><br />Perhaps you're a concerned Barista or suchlike. Fair dos. <br /><br />But this is a current affairs blog, and we don't really specialise in the road haulage industry. Though several commentators have an accumulation of relevant experience that will between them total a century or more, and I'm sure they would be happy to advise, I can't help feeling you'd be better off directing your questions to a forum that specialised more in, erm, road haulage. Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-71218255748741371552019-01-12T16:29:50.363+00:002019-01-12T16:29:50.363+00:00Thanks for the link.
That describes not the probl...Thanks for the link.<br /><br />That describes not the problem-free position which would ensue, but the confusion, uncertainty, and the mish-mash of different permits which might be required, for each separate country.<br /><br />It also points out that countries would be free to choose whether to recognise UK documents or not, and that only a limited number of the key ones would be available. It does not say how many.<br /><br />Thats after they've had the vehicles taken apart by border security just getting into the EU.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-49468585674355072962019-01-12T15:12:22.337+00:002019-01-12T15:12:22.337+00:00Fair points. And I agree with the EU that an emuls...Fair points. And I agree with the EU that an emulsion made of lard, whey and sugar should no more be called 'Ice Cream' than (the modern equivalent) a mix of industrial ethanol, sugar, water and apple flavouring should be allowed to be called 'Cider'<br /><br />But then I hate factory food. Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-67327412156302521062019-01-12T15:07:10.887+00:002019-01-12T15:07:10.887+00:00issues around genuine geographical name controlled...<i>issues around genuine geographical name controlled foods and drinks</i>-Raed<br /><br />Actually that wasn't the issue (a fairly minor one I think) I meant when I said that back in the pre-EU daze it was verboten to sell British 'Ice Cream' and 'beer' in Germany. According to the then very lax 'regulations' 'Walls Vanilla' wasn't 'ice cream' because it wasn't iced cream. And British beer of the 70s was, by and large, about as far from the Rheinheitsgebot as one could get. <br /><br />So no matter that Irish Cheddar is flogged throughout the EU (as bath soap, one assumes) and that atm English Cheddar is produced in accordance all the EU guidelines and regulations governing cleaning products, in the event of the Morris Allegro of our Economy crashing over the cliffs, it becomes a product of a 3rd country. <br /><br />[and before anyone picks me up on it, yes I am aware I am majorly over simplifying things -for the simple reason it is all above my mental pay-grade]jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-38781630659821423372019-01-12T15:00:47.377+00:002019-01-12T15:00:47.377+00:00bring back the bradbury pound that will take the b...bring back the bradbury pound that will take the bank shitsers out of the loop me thinksdave/rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-31821677349983516742019-01-12T14:49:31.712+00:002019-01-12T14:49:31.712+00:00Right-writes
One could also add that the last Eur...Right-writes<br /><br />One could also add that the last Eurozone crisis hasn't finished either. <br /><br />Austerity. It used to mean not spending money you could afford to. Suddenly it started meaning not spending far more than you can afford. Odd. All for it. Problem was that the government hit all the wrong targets, and as usual, buggered the poor. Austerity as we know did not apply to the top end top middle end of public services, where salaries and pensions continued to rocket and performance continued to plummet. <br /><br />Regardless, we need to spend much less. Then maybe wed all have some money in our pockets to kickstart a moribund economy? Elby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-48668137569657423812019-01-12T14:41:42.651+00:002019-01-12T14:41:42.651+00:00Jack - Ireland produces 200,000 tonnes of Cheddar ...Jack - Ireland produces 200,000 tonnes of Cheddar a year, 70% goes to the UK to be sold under labels such as 'Southdown Farm Cheddar' or 'Castle City Cheddar' or 'Roman River Cheddar' and most UK people who buy it think they're eating English Cheddar. Ireland can easily switch markets to the rest of the EU - and indeed, as a result of Brexit, some Irish cheese factories are setting up lines to make not only Stilton but Mozarella and Parmesan clones. <br /><br />But yes, there are issues around genuine geographical name controlled foods and drinks - but can you seriously imagine Herr Juncker not granting the Scotch Whisky distillers a permit?Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-76170182393905187952019-01-12T14:20:08.756+00:002019-01-12T14:20:08.756+00:00we'll still send you Brie and Chardonnay. The ...<i>we'll still send you Brie and Chardonnay. The EU have ensured they are still able to access financial services in the City and reciprocal arrangements are in place. </i> -Raed<br /><br />Yeees but will the yUK still be able to sell 'Cheddar' or 'Stilton' in the EU (I can remember the , according to Brexiteers, 'good old days' when you couldn't get British 'Ice Cream' nor 'beer' in Germany for love nor money, and has anyone <i>told</i> the big players in the City that, I ask in the light of today's announcement? jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-36251064361478531602019-01-12T14:18:32.359+00:002019-01-12T14:18:32.359+00:00Gordon - looks like a swizz to me. Those avocado t...Gordon - looks like a swizz to me. Those avocado tongs look exactly the same as bog-standard surgical retractors you can buy for £8.99 a pair. Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-31183791954553480462019-01-12T13:58:24.453+00:002019-01-12T13:58:24.453+00:00A most touching endorsement Jack...A most touching endorsement Jack...Stephen Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16628822966183977715noreply@blogger.com