tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post3085013666040921808..comments2023-09-28T13:28:52.243+01:00Comments on Raedwald: FloodRaedwaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-91172657243713955122020-02-21T18:46:54.293+00:002020-02-21T18:46:54.293+00:00Having read that 10% of all new houses built since...Having read that 10% of all new houses built since 2013 have been sited on land with the highest risk of flooding and that this figure is increasing is it not time that Parliament legislated that houses are not allowed to be built on such risky sites without these houses incorporating flood avoidance features, such as building on stilts ?John Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01368536835090304923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-19535070410290317312020-02-20T22:33:24.259+00:002020-02-20T22:33:24.259+00:00No JPM, "most" it isn't and "mo...No JPM, "most" it isn't and "most of the worst" it isn't, so fuck off Span Owshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144861546996033462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-69945418607139363142020-02-20T21:28:30.853+00:002020-02-20T21:28:30.853+00:00There is an argument that more drainage, especiall...There is an argument that more drainage, especially of farmland, creates less flooding. It goes something like this:<br /><br />Open farmland has a certain capacity to absorb water that falls onto it. If that land gets saturated then all subsequent rain just sheets off the land into the nearest watercourses, and ends up in the main rivers pretty sharpish. This is what causes floods - rainfall onto already saturated land flowing immediately into main rivers and overloading their carrying capacity. <br /><br />Thus the argument goes that rather than attempting to keep farmland wet, by neglecting drainage systems, we should attempt to keep it as dry as possible via good drainage, so that the 'heavy rainfall onto saturated land' scenario occurs as little as possible, and when extreme rainfall events occur the land has sufficient 'sponge' capacity to prevent all that rain ending up in main rivers within hours. <br /><br />Up until the 1980s the CAP was still encouraging farmers to produce more food, and land drainage was subsidised (as a way to increase the productivity of land). Since the 80s a lot of that drainage has been largely abandoned or neglected, certainly not replaced, as farming is perennially short of cash, and land drainage is expensive. Environmental rules have also banned draining some land as well. So the speed at which land can dry itself out has reduced significantly. All it takes now is to have an above averagely wet few months, slowly get the land saturated over a 2-3 month period, then once that has occurred if we get a further heavy rain event flooding inevitably occurs. Which is what has happened now - we have experienced above average rainfall for about 4 months now, then we get a storm like Dennis, where it rains solidly for 2 days (which is hardly that unusual in the UK) and the rivers rise within hours.<br /><br />If during that preceding 4 months (when it didn't flood) the land drainage had kept up with rainfall and had managed to keep the land still relatively dry and capable of holding more water, Storm Dennis would not have had the effect it did.<br /><br />Its a theory, whether its realistic is for you to decide........Sobershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11407417389022146963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-81404561846280745832020-02-20T21:14:15.704+00:002020-02-20T21:14:15.704+00:00Home Secretary pushing civil service to break the ...Home Secretary pushing civil service to break the law.<br /><br />Teresa had a point about 1933 and all that. Nasty party!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-51573300176526215532020-02-20T19:52:25.941+00:002020-02-20T19:52:25.941+00:00Yes, Span. Some. "Most of the worst" is ...Yes, Span. Some. "Most of the worst" is "some", as I said.JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-35354066721463123002020-02-20T19:33:14.748+00:002020-02-20T19:33:14.748+00:00I live on a hill. The River Bourne (Dorset) is abo...I live on a hill. The River Bourne (Dorset) is about 45ft below me and a quarter mile to the south running parallel to the road out front, which runs East to West where lays largest Lowland heathland in the UK. Good for drainage.<br /><br />SteveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-85800367237980563022020-02-20T17:33:17.755+00:002020-02-20T17:33:17.755+00:00JPM, some bad flooding has been in upland valleys ...JPM, <b>some bad</b> flooding has been in upland valleys e.g. Hebden Bridge, Mytholmroyd, Pontypridd etc.<br /><br />There, fixed it for you. <br /><br />Not sure why the fixation with Wales...oh, I see, so you could be contrary as ever. You make valid points, the petty trolling point-scoring just detracts from them. Span Owshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144861546996033462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-51415405025203691152020-02-20T16:30:13.766+00:002020-02-20T16:30:13.766+00:00Most of the worst flooding has been in upland vall...Most of the worst flooding has been in upland valleys e.g. Hebden Bridge, Mytholmroyd, Pontypridd etc.<br /><br />The Calder and Taff are rock-bedded at those reaches and were never dredged anyway. The buildings are Victorian stone, not new build. They are not on flood plain because there isn't one, they're on the lower slopes of the valley. <br /><br />They have simply suffered record rainfall.<br /><br />However, reservoir management needs to be reviewed. They should not be kept brim full.<br /><br />Yorkshire water has closed quite a few, and so is heavily reliant on those left, though.<br /><br />Action is needed at all levels and on all timescales.<br /><br />Where is Al, folks are asking?JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-78664813259749745142020-02-20T14:40:43.420+00:002020-02-20T14:40:43.420+00:00The nine most feared words in the English language...<br />The nine most feared words in the English language "we're from the Government and we're here to help".<br /><br />Government haven't 'helped' with a single (in my memory) thing. Not. a damned. thing.<br /><br />Any Government intervention has always been to introduce taxation (or fees), create non-jobs (that guarantee them a vote) and generally complicate (fcuk) things up for everyone.<br /><br />They should be banned from 'offering' assistance. They should only intercede when they are asked.<br /><br /><br />Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-69546009544178080012020-02-20T14:23:16.881+00:002020-02-20T14:23:16.881+00:00Actually Raedwald, I set out to make different com...Actually Raedwald, I set out to make different comment and veered off. What I originally meant to write has been touched on by SS above too.<br /><br />Ans it was this: Some places that human beans have chosen to live are naturally uninhabitable for human beans. So what he do, being more adaptable than the modern socialist, is that we put on our thinking caps and ask some questions, one of which is ...<br /><br />Do we REALLY want to live here?<br /><br />If we answer yes, we then use that thinking time to adapt that uninhabitable spot, so that it suits us down to the ground. We do it in the knowledge that maintenance will be an ongoing project.<br /><br />In the case of the Somerset Levels that Paterson mentioned, a return to just such a scheme after the last abortion at the hands of the EU/Environment Agency meant that "action this day" was the meme, and indeed the act. Whatever it was that they said they needed to do theRiver Parrott, they did, and guess what...<br /><br />No floods!Stephen Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16628822966183977715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-76964800511687197892020-02-20T11:52:45.071+00:002020-02-20T11:52:45.071+00:00... as indeed r-w stated in the very first comment...... as indeed r-w stated in the very first comment aboveRaedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-51090569057080300022020-02-20T11:52:02.860+00:002020-02-20T11:52:02.860+00:00SS - Yes, I think many of the problems are very lo...SS - Yes, I think many of the problems are very local, and historical. I bet that rusted storm drain is the council's. <br /><br />There's also an excellent piece in the Telegraph by Owen Paterson that I wish I'd seen before I wrote this - he stresses that, given his experience in Somerset, the solutions are also local. Forget the EA, DEFRA, the MMO - the answer is local flood and drainage bodies.Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-14360317304931089582020-02-20T11:38:07.258+00:002020-02-20T11:38:07.258+00:00No expert I, just an observer.
I don't think ...No expert I, just an observer.<br /><br />I don't think our countryside is anywhere close to natural. Our penchant for constructing wooden ships for our merchant and naval fleets took an enormous toll on our native woodlands. Precious little was replaced and our planting of varieties of conifers may look okay and can be profitable, but their place in our ecosystem is very questionable.<br /><br />WW2 encouraged people to grow their own, with scrublands cleared to assist in this. Metal fencing was melted and frequently replaced with brick walls that act in the same way of channelling floodwaters.<br /><br />Even now trees and scrub is cleared to erect wind turbines. Also artificial are our grouse moors.<br /><br />But what's unforgivable is our lack of maintenance of storm drains. There's one in Stockbridge where a very large metal flap should open when the water pressure builds up. It doesn't because it's rusted in place, meaning the water from Queens St. all the way down the hill just pours down the streets.<br /><br />Just observations.Smoking Scotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-48524225006354645462020-02-20T09:21:54.942+00:002020-02-20T09:21:54.942+00:00Take a step back and look at DEFRA's motivatio...Take a step back and look at DEFRA's motivations. Not to spend very much money and take a long time doing it. Add in a 'Green' motivation as another excuse for doing nothing and you have today's Do-Nothing-DEFRA.<br /><br />Re-wilding and letting the river banks grow a-la Monbiot's Amazon is the last decade's fad. Which might work very well over 1000 miles of rainforest. But over five mile stretches of UK farmland interspersed with houses and a handful of saplings - ridiculous. But letting the river banks grow and never dredging means not spending any money.<br /><br />And a bigger problem, UK land law. Way back local streams and ditches were tended by farmers and estate owners. They had a self interest in doing so and no need for mapping or legislation. Subsequently farm cottages and lands have been sold off for building, but no mapping and no legislation, you can fill in ditches willy-nilly. Parliament shows no sign of doing the mapping, advice and enforcement work - why? just look at the composition of Parliament and The Lords.<br /><br />Right now there is a fuss and palaver, by summer it will all have been forgotten, back to doing nothing.jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470816959796395467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-71665216485859856272020-02-20T09:09:57.442+00:002020-02-20T09:09:57.442+00:00In my opinion there are too many "Michael Gov...In my opinion there are too many "Michael Gove's" in politics. Two faced, stab in the back merchants, willing to follow any line that the "Boss" demands, their ambition to succeed is all.<br />JohnMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-47699169518962517182020-02-20T09:07:41.015+00:002020-02-20T09:07:41.015+00:00Who gives permission for the building on flood pla...Who gives permission for the building on flood plains? Final say is with politicians sometimes. Seems such a stupi thing so easily avoidable. I recall a few years back (when the Levels were doing what they always used to do) and the clear an dobviously solution wa sdo what had been done before with the dykes, ditches and drains. I even had a photo of a very floded field with the sign "120 new luxury homes here soon" on the edge of the field, which you would think would make them think again. Fucking dumb arsehole jobsworths all getting 100K + salaries is a major part of the problem but not all of it.Span Owshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144861546996033462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-72456171320786237222020-02-20T08:33:27.138+00:002020-02-20T08:33:27.138+00:00I do wonder if there is a 'disillusioned' ...I do wonder if there is a 'disillusioned' mindset which has contaminated the powers that be? Not necessarily a conscious attitude, just an unconscious 'acceptance' that Britain has lost an Empire, experienced vast industrial conflicts, is not as wonderful as we used to be, and the nasty plebs are blocking our progress to the Utopia we desire.<br /><br />So many decided that we should join the EC/EU to dilute our disillusion in a wider new empire. However, in the practical world, the 'populists' do not share this disillusion and would prefer to get on and make things better rather that sit in encounter circles bewailing how awful things are.<br /><br />And a huge part of this 'getting on and making things better' is to do away with stifling bureaucracy which exists *mostly* to provide reasons for not doing things.DiscoveredJoyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05300239909689336895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-18908024628049770962020-02-20T08:27:15.662+00:002020-02-20T08:27:15.662+00:00What it is all about might not be the various edic...What it is all about might not be the various edicts and commands made by regional or even national government, but rather the very same reason that we wanted to leave the EU.<br /><br />Democracy and independence.<br /><br />One of the main criticisms from even supportive ministers in regard to the EU has been its tendency to create rather shoddy "one size fits all" solutions to what it sees as its problems. Regardless of whether WE seem them as EU problems or not.<br /><br />Most often the solution to a problem will be solved by local expertise, rather than world beating expertise.Stephen Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16628822966183977715noreply@blogger.com