tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post4236727423718273281..comments2023-09-28T13:28:52.243+01:00Comments on Raedwald: And they're OUT! The party b'long us!Raedwaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-7212866960258141462019-09-04T22:37:38.007+01:002019-09-04T22:37:38.007+01:00I am reminded of Neil Kinnock’s comment when Gordo...I am reminded of Neil Kinnock’s comment when Gordon Brown assumes control of the Labour Party as the new PM. “At last we have got our party back!” That ended well did it not?<br /><br />I have no sympathy for a bunch of passed it grandees who thought they were unsackable. I nearly crashed the car when I heard that Churchill’s grandson was being kicked out. Really if your only claim to fame is being the offspring of the offspring you really are pretty sad, as well being from what I can see, thick, self entitled and useless. Ditto for the rest of them. However the search for party purity does mean losing a few of those pesky voters.<br /><br />I can see the country relying heavily on Nigel to clear up the mess.Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15217574100039265130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-82366402577815907762019-09-04T17:50:15.431+01:002019-09-04T17:50:15.431+01:00@ 15:50
Priceless@ 15:50<br /><br />PricelessRAC Esq.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-19955659248053142342019-09-04T16:35:31.331+01:002019-09-04T16:35:31.331+01:00@Dave_G
I was referring to Dilyn, but I see what ...@Dave_G<br /><br />I was referring to Dilyn, but I see what you did there :-)<br />Jock Ularnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-62484005438295161712019-09-04T15:52:14.856+01:002019-09-04T15:52:14.856+01:00If Brexit is delayed yet again, does the date for ...<br />If Brexit is delayed yet again, does the date for the Lisbon Treaty changes/implementations make any difference to how we might 'ever' leave?Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-28147015260141928542019-09-04T15:50:54.391+01:002019-09-04T15:50:54.391+01:00
@ Jock - no I believe his intention is to marry h...<br />@ Jock - no I believe his intention is to marry her.Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-44916701784496971742019-09-04T14:34:47.092+01:002019-09-04T14:34:47.092+01:00Is that new dog in No. 10 going to be homeless aga...Is that new dog in No. 10 going to be homeless again?Jock Ularnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-56137680432194698882019-09-04T12:34:48.017+01:002019-09-04T12:34:48.017+01:00 Errr um well actually it does Dave_G, it draws jp... Errr um well actually it does Dave_G, it draws jpmRAC Esq.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-37076112844929016302019-09-04T12:25:19.708+01:002019-09-04T12:25:19.708+01:00...and in Raeds position I would take offence at h...<br />...and in Raeds position I would take offence at having his blog referred to as a place that 'draws fanatics'.<br /><br />There is nothing fanatical about upholding democracy - but only a supplicant to Globalism would reject that concept.Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-19757008046803414432019-09-04T12:17:23.894+01:002019-09-04T12:17:23.894+01:00@ 12:03
If you come online to stir the shit you m...@ 12:03<br /><br />If you come online to stir the shit you must expect what you get. <br />Some may wish to bandy words with you, but for most life is too short and patience worn too thin.RAC Esq.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-33564880159091748942019-09-04T12:14:43.198+01:002019-09-04T12:14:43.198+01:00What's 'fanatical' about upholding dem...<br />What's 'fanatical' about upholding democracy and abiding by the will of the majority?<br /><br />You should also note that all the violence and all the hatred extend from the left and that, in a democratic society the 'losers' would have the morals to STFU and accept the result as they clearly do when it goes 'their' way.<br /><br />You and all the losers are simple hypocrites - but excessively large ones at that.Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-46861272124279889962019-09-04T12:03:37.397+01:002019-09-04T12:03:37.397+01:00Most of the seventeen million Leave voters whom I ...Most of the seventeen million Leave voters whom I meet are patriots. That is, they do not hate the other three-quarters of their fellow countrymen and women with the same vehemence that the fanatics amongst them do. That is, those who frequent websites intended to draw exactly that kind.JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-44512018731806305912019-09-04T11:47:27.513+01:002019-09-04T11:47:27.513+01:00@ 11:38
Absolutely. No need to mince words with a...@ 11:38<br /><br />Absolutely. No need to mince words with a provocateur.RAC Esq.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-4266754147487855082019-09-04T11:38:34.591+01:002019-09-04T11:38:34.591+01:00Dont worry Dave; sometimes a prick like JPM needs ...Dont worry Dave; sometimes a prick like JPM needs to be called a prick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-5033423310447126462019-09-04T11:34:29.610+01:002019-09-04T11:34:29.610+01:00JPM said @ 07:01
'All that you have to do now...JPM said @ 07:01<br /><br />'All that you have to do now is to get a traditionally moderate British electorate to vote for an extreme reactionary, single-issue party.'<br /><br />You are seriously deluded mate. I'd voted Labour all my life but after '97 the politics Blair introduced brought that to an end. What's happening now is the death throes of Blairism. The Conservative Party became a Blairite centre-left party under Cameron and everybody knows it. So to differentiate itself the Labour Party moved further to the left - in your words it became an 'extreme reactionary party', with one mission: a socialist society.<br /><br />As for that pig-in-a-dress the EU it's corporate communism with appointed troughers running the show. Why do you think they run everything past Merkel first? Why do you think May went to see her the day before she met with the Cabinet at Chequers? Europes biggest economy is why. Fucking money again. The EU isn't about People it's about POWER and MONEY. Wake up, the EU is a proto-globalist no nations no borders experiment with a bad ending.<br /><br />SteveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-45168640388516238852019-09-04T11:23:39.671+01:002019-09-04T11:23:39.671+01:00
@Sackerson (and other contributors) - I apologise...<br />@Sackerson (and other contributors) - I apologise for any offensive remarks I make and have no wish to offend sensibilities other than to express my utter abhorence of attitudes of the likes of JPM who is as guilty as any of our traitorous Pols in wishing our freedoms and democracy away.<br /><br />To them they deserve every insult they get.Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-73185822285515740522019-09-04T11:12:33.671+01:002019-09-04T11:12:33.671+01:00@JPM 10:49 - naturally I dissociate myself from th...@JPM 10:49 - naturally I dissociate myself from the vulgar abuse that you sometimes draw here, but...<br /><br />Your Churchill quotations are interesting yet even in them you may detect a degree of qualification: <br /><br />1942: barriers "greatly minimised" [without specifying British inclusion]<br />1946: building a USE [again, not necessarily including GB]<br />1947: "European family" implies cooperation but not necessarily subordination<br />1948: "participation of all the peoples throughout the continent" "union of Europe" - again ambiguous as to whether we are to be considered Continental<br /><br />For a counter-view, please see Andrew Roberts:<br /><br />https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/churchill-was-all-in-favour-of-a-united-europe-as-long-as-it-didnt-include-britain/<br /><br />And those that have the time may enjoy the immensely readable (translated into English) memoirs of Jean Monnet - free online and downloadable in various forms:<br /><br />https://archive.org/details/MonnetJeanMemoirs<br /><br />- a great man but whose vision needs modifying in the light of later events.Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-57596096349533581412019-09-04T10:59:19.988+01:002019-09-04T10:59:19.988+01:00@JPM - you make an assumption that the 3 million E...<br />@JPM - you make an assumption that the 3 million Europeans living/working here are all pro-EU.<br /><br />That is as cuntish as I've ever heard an assumption to be. Or have you missed the goings-on in France, Germany, Italy etc ?<br />Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-82853543014914539482019-09-04T10:57:15.455+01:002019-09-04T10:57:15.455+01:00@JPM - we can do all that Churchill mentioned but ...<br />@JPM - we can do all that Churchill mentioned but we don't have to do it under central rule of a 'government' that is dictatorial, unelected and unremovable.<br /><br />You don't like what the current Government is doing re Brexit so 'support' the efforts to 'remove it' and replace it with one that does 'what you want'.<br /><br />What will you do when it comes to the EU doing something equally repugnant at some future time and you 'don't like it'? Or are you going to claim that occasion will never come about?<br /><br />Your motives and intentions are purile, transparent and the example you give - plus my response here - exposes the absolute ridicule you deserve for wanting to progress it.<br /><br />If you truly believed in what Churchill dreamed of you would understand the need for a DEMOCRATIC process that pursued the aims of the PEOPLE and not the state.Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-79279303559748006012019-09-04T10:54:49.355+01:002019-09-04T10:54:49.355+01:00Quite, Dave.
So why were three million tax-paying...Quite, Dave.<br /><br />So why were three million tax-paying, or tax-liable, fellow Europeans living here denied a vote?JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-40748273200829144372019-09-04T10:51:14.910+01:002019-09-04T10:51:14.910+01:00When will the people start to make objections that...<br />When will the people start to make objections that really make a difference? No taxation without representation perhaps?<br /><br />We have NEVER been less 'represented' as we are now so I see no reason why I or anyone should hand over any amount of money in taxation to give these despicable betrayers of democracy the wherewithal to progress their abuse.<br /><br />A campaign of witholding taxes until proper democracy is restored and Brexit is enacted in the form it was offered - leaving the EU, returning our borders and controls and stopping our payments etc.<br /><br />If the EU is so paranoid about keeping their income stream to survive I can only imagine our own Government are just as paranoid about the public refusing to 'pay' for their own betrayal.<br /><br />The shennanigans of Parliament is made to be the be-all and end-all of what matters. Parliament can go fuck themselves if they don't do as the voters demand of them. And I certainly don't want to pay for the privilege of being shat upon.<br /><br />Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-65362562552984000632019-09-04T10:49:47.726+01:002019-09-04T10:49:47.726+01:00No, Momentum's ideas on Europe come from a gre...No, Momentum's ideas on Europe come from a great anti-fascist:<br /><br />"Hard as it is to say now.. I look forward to a United States of Europe, in which the barriers between the nations will be greatly minimised and unrestricted travel will be possible." <br />Winston Churchill, 1942<br /><br />"We must build a kind of United States of Europe.. The structure of the United States of Europe, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important.. If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can."<br />Winston Churchill, 1946<br /><br />"Britain will have to play her full part as a member of the European family."<br />Churchill, May 1947, speaking at Albert Hall as Chairman and Founder of the United Europe Movement<br /><br />"We cannot aim at anything less than the Union of Europe as a whole, and we look forward with confidence to the day when that Union will be achieved....We aim at the eventual participation of all the peoples throughout the continent whose society and way of life are in accord with the [European] Charter of Human Rights."<br />Churchill, May 1948, speech to Council of Europe in Holland.<br /><br />Are you with Winston, or are you a traitor?<br /><br />Momentum are only eight percent of Labour members too.JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-55241860541305689282019-09-04T09:46:30.977+01:002019-09-04T09:46:30.977+01:00I am staggered that a commenter on this site could...I am staggered that a commenter on this site could possibly describe Momentum as 'moderate'<br /><br />Momentum are fascists, plain and simple. Their tactics come straight out of the rule book that Hitler wrote in the 1930s...Dioclesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08996613810576387778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-12575580427957244862019-09-04T09:38:57.364+01:002019-09-04T09:38:57.364+01:00@JPM - Of course it is democratic in the purest me...@JPM - Of course it is democratic in the purest meaning of the word, and this is how the weasels will try to get their revocation through whilst all the while pretending that they did try to honour the referendum.<br /><br />So it is not the vote per-se that is undemocratic, but the way we have come to it, by doing everything they can to avoid implementing the result of the referendum, very much is.<br /><br />I take a small amount of re-assurance that the Lords are planning to fillibuster the legislation, with 86 amendments tabled.<br /><br />"...the time it will take the upper chamber to hear and vote on each amendment, as its rules compel it to do, would take up continuous 24/7 sitting until Saturday."<br /><br />https://order-order.com/2019/09/04/revealed-lords-plan-block-remainer-legislation/IcyPurplepantsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-23175746152405308062019-09-04T09:36:31.552+01:002019-09-04T09:36:31.552+01:00If you want a smile, just try to imagine what woul...If you want a smile, just try to imagine what would have happened if a Labour leader, elected only by a bunch of militant tendency entryists, propped up by Sinn Fein, say, and with no majority to boot, tried to ignore the supremacy of Parliament and the rule of law?<br /><br />No, the real Establishment would never have let even the beginnings of it get anywhere near happening, would they?<br /><br />Now, that tells you who they really are, doesn't it?JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-3675529371147281152019-09-04T09:21:14.009+01:002019-09-04T09:21:14.009+01:00@Cheerful
I thought we'd had that.
But in th...@Cheerful<br /><br />I thought we'd had that.<br /><br />But in this second vote you don't want, "remain" is not an absolutely clear option and is open to interpretation (putting it mildly).<br /><br />Perhaps that's why there was so little mention of it in the referendum we actually had.Marknoreply@blogger.com