tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post6108392838242593125..comments2023-09-28T13:28:52.243+01:00Comments on Raedwald: Mad pitbulls and manipulative expertsRaedwaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-63384885865194196852019-11-07T22:22:00.693+00:002019-11-07T22:22:00.693+00:00Mr Hadley-Lennon would have have preferred a jury....Mr Hadley-Lennon would have have preferred a jury.<br />But our betters knew better.Doonhamernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-2255172009428356622019-11-05T21:18:29.175+00:002019-11-05T21:18:29.175+00:00Yes, it's simply a matter of common sense.
JR...Yes, it's simply a matter of common sense.<br /><br />JRM<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-35037107105878749912019-11-05T17:13:34.044+00:002019-11-05T17:13:34.044+00:00Indeed Jack, hence OUT. I suspect "better the...Indeed Jack, hence OUT. I suspect "better the Devil you know" would be more appropriate to what [I think] you're trying to say.<br /><br />I reckon '<i>auribus teneo lupum</i>' or even more perfect, '<i>imperium in imperio</i>'!<br /><br />No doubt the EU would prefer: '<i>"Carthago [UK] delenda est"</i> Span Owshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144861546996033462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-47145754124767807082019-11-05T16:15:45.780+00:002019-11-05T16:15:45.780+00:00Of course, we need the far superior european princ...<i><br />Of course, we need the far superior european principle </i> -Mark<br /><br />You mean “In dubiis benigniora preferenda sunt” ?<br />jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-66986492665114658982019-11-05T11:44:21.574+00:002019-11-05T11:44:21.574+00:00excellent images on your blog Anonemouse!excellent images on your blog Anonemouse!Span Owshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144861546996033462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-10523311607084702742019-11-05T11:34:34.123+00:002019-11-05T11:34:34.123+00:00We live in the age of DiMocracy.We live in the age of DiMocracy.Anoneumousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09825132566496729272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-16262217364896235042019-11-05T11:18:30.971+00:002019-11-05T11:18:30.971+00:00@JPM: Having served as a juror, I worry for anyone...@JPM: Having served as a juror, I worry for anyone tried by a jury, but I have even less confidence in judges. I saw the Bench's manicured thumb on the scales in one case but unfortunately I cannot go into details. <br /><br />You should also spare a thought for Julian Assange and the way that his case has been and is being dealt with, by the courts. It's an open sore on the body politic. Could you take a little time off your goading here to support him and correct injustice and harsh treatment?<br />https://theylaughedatnoah.blogspot.com/2019/08/assange-letter-to-home-secretary.html<br /><br />For all their faults, the people are best placed to decide whether their shoes pinch.Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-15950892584476046492019-11-05T10:14:41.314+00:002019-11-05T10:14:41.314+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.John Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01368536835090304923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-859570487244597102019-11-05T10:13:22.225+00:002019-11-05T10:13:22.225+00:00Citizen juries will always be hijacked by the frin...<br />Citizen juries will always be hijacked by the fringe extremists who have nothing better to do (or a Soros payroll number) except distort the result to their advantage. Which is why a country-wide referendum is much more difficult to manipulate the result of and why implementing its decision is so vital.<br /><br />The results of the referendum were "established beyond reasonable doubt" and the conditions of the vote were spelled out by the lead politicians at the time so no arguing over what Leave meant.<br /><br />So far so good. All we need is for the right people to implement the result. The Tories won't, Labour can't and the Lib Dems are pure shite.<br /><br />Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-55461517662582477002019-11-05T09:44:04.166+00:002019-11-05T09:44:04.166+00:00I worked in a government department and we had lot...I worked in a government department and we had lots of staff surveys that posed a questions and then asked us to tick a box from a scale of boxes to indicate how we felt about that issue.<br /><br />When the results of the survey were published all of the boxes bar one were totalled up in favour of the management-approved line. I tried to make my 'vote' count by only ticking boxes at the extreme ends of the scales.<br /><br />I imagine Citizens' Assemblies would do the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-13539877028029007682019-11-05T09:17:23.870+00:002019-11-05T09:17:23.870+00:00The purpose of Citizens Juries will be to endorse ...The purpose of Citizens Juries will be to endorse what the political class already want to happen. One-sided "expert opinion" will be presented; dissent will be suppressed.<br /><br />They will become just another way that consensus politicians and technocrats impose their agenda, using the fig-leaf of a rigged committee which has "endorsed" them.<br /><br />DeeDee99https://www.blogger.com/profile/06753473473887381622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-26819209244858679172019-11-05T08:19:24.939+00:002019-11-05T08:19:24.939+00:00"You only have to look at the certainty which..."You only have to look at the certainty which objects of opprobrium are condemned here...."<br /><br />I spy with my little eye something beginning with P...<br /><br />Of course, we need the far superior european principle that you are guilty until proven innocent.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-79601761589133935632019-11-05T07:33:15.480+00:002019-11-05T07:33:15.480+00:00You make your own point. No system is perfect, and...You make your own point. No system is perfect, and you hope to use the imperfections of the referendum to achieve a raft of ambitions which were not the subject of the vote, for instance.<br /><br />But let's take an everyday case - trial by jury.<br /><br />Here, the judges have the onerous task of getting twelve ordinary folk to grasp the central point, that in a criminal case the prosecution's claim must be established beyond reasonable doubt.<br /><br />You only have to look at the certainty with which the objects of opprobrium are condemned here, and on the merest contrived suspicion, to grasp what a thankless task this must be, but school them the judges must.JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-22066681437792205012019-11-05T06:58:50.001+00:002019-11-05T06:58:50.001+00:00I wonder what Mr. Sutherland calls the kind of dem...I wonder what Mr. Sutherland calls the kind of democracy that is ignored if the wrong decision is reached by the voters?Stephen Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16628822966183977715noreply@blogger.com