tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post7582019787047628060..comments2023-09-28T13:28:52.243+01:00Comments on Raedwald: May unlikely to survive Commons defeatRaedwaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-91372265407775013732018-11-28T12:31:36.494+00:002018-11-28T12:31:36.494+00:00Jack Ketch said: "'Our own democratically...Jack Ketch said: "'Our own democratically elected politicians' would probably be the best answer to that.<br /><br />Well, that answer is better than most Remain bluster about the UK's (so called) unique inability to be independent, but it still fails. Firstly our politicians have been elected under current conditions where Westminster is a provincial outpost of the EU empire - so we get MPs of the calibre of local councillors.<br /><br />Secondly, in talking to people from non-EU countries such as India, USA and Australia, I was surprised to find they are quite as scathing about their politicians, and in the same way, as we are about ours. Thirdly, though we know our country is badly run, we do moderately well on international comparisons with either EU nations or non-EU nations.<br /><br />The UK may be currently directed by such as the Rasputin-like Olly Robbins, the truly devious Theresa May, and the 1970s communist pair Corbyn and McDonnell, but there are a lot of ordinary people who just get on with their jobs with a competence comparable to any other nation.<br /><br />But then that doesn't fit with your Salacious Crumb type persona.Budgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-26985928595928492812018-11-28T10:21:53.136+00:002018-11-28T10:21:53.136+00:00" Leave tories will be frightened by the thre..." Leave tories will be frightened by the threat of a 2nd referendum/ a non-brexit/JC becoming PM, if the DWA doesn't pass so they will hold their noses and vote for it."<br /><br />I hate to say it, but Ketch is right <i>again</i>; this is what I think will happen.<br /><br />God send that I am wrong. Peter MacFarlanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05554166005487231094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-5855489514750228042018-11-28T08:42:24.006+00:002018-11-28T08:42:24.006+00:00May won't resign after the defeat on 11th Dece...May won't resign after the defeat on 11th December. The Tories will probably not remove her, the spineless cowards they are. They will connive further at the trashing of our democracy and the surrender to globalism and the EU. Something will be cobbled together.<br /><br />There is only one way to deal with this betrayal, there's nothing else for the people to do.Cull the Badgersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-20561110901914049302018-11-28T07:33:58.925+00:002018-11-28T07:33:58.925+00:00https://inktank.fi/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/2754...https://inktank.fi/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/27544770-1074004909408694-6826082811263106799-n.jpgCharleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15217574100039265130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-24053354024535585992018-11-27T18:25:30.562+00:002018-11-27T18:25:30.562+00:00Thanks Bill ... ;)))Thanks Bill ... ;)))Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-88123607086804657792018-11-27T18:12:54.684+00:002018-11-27T18:12:54.684+00:00A Government of peace. And stability. Harmony, and...<i>A Government of peace. And stability. Harmony, and temperance.</i>- Adam Sutler, perchance? Seriously, 'temperance'...warm milk before bedtime, Sally army and 'lips that touch liquor shall not touch ours' style 'temperance'?jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-12728111258701214202018-11-27T18:01:57.316+00:002018-11-27T18:01:57.316+00:00Perhaps as a Remain you could explain why the UK i...<i>Perhaps as a Remain you could explain why the UK is unique among the other 163 nations on the planet not in the EU, that makes us unable to be independent?</i><br /><br />'Our own democratically elected politicians' would probably be the best answer to that.jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-31442218060111709622018-11-27T17:49:28.070+00:002018-11-27T17:49:28.070+00:00The question is whom will Her Majesty invite to fo...<i> The question is whom will Her Majesty invite to form the next government - </i><br /><br />One wouldn't want to stand for oneself, of course. Not for the prestige and power and free lunches that come with the job. Not for oneself.<br />But..if one were asked...to steady the ship..to unite the party..A compromise candidate..One might be forced to put aside one's personal wish for obscurity and to allow oneself to be thrust forward in the nation's hour of need, to rescue the situation....<br /><br />...One might be tempted to assist one's colleagues in leading the nation. <br />One might even feel obliged by the privilege of one's office to serve Her Majesty in forming a government.<br />A Government of peace. And stability. Harmony, and temperance. <br />Seeking nothing more than smooth transition from EU to non-EU status.<br /><br />if one were asked..well..one could hardly refuse such an opportunity...for bloody revenge.Bill Quango MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14861116614665461655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-44774168250001172932018-11-27T17:35:25.831+00:002018-11-27T17:35:25.831+00:00Jack Ketch said: "Remain MPs . . . are not pr...Jack Ketch said: "Remain MPs . . . are not prepared to risk the 'cliff edge twaddle' NOT being twaddle."<br /><br />Perhaps as a Remain you could explain why the UK is unique among the other 163 nations on the planet not in the EU, that makes us unable to be independent?Budgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-33324379516540521192018-11-27T17:25:45.474+00:002018-11-27T17:25:45.474+00:00Johnny Mercer, PlymouthJohnny Mercer, PlymouthSpan Owshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144861546996033462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-23124835688450465832018-11-27T16:15:59.981+00:002018-11-27T16:15:59.981+00:00Well the Chamberlain fudge gave time for re-armame...Well the Chamberlain fudge gave time for re-armament, however if the Govt had been doing their duty the limited amount of arms to defeat Hitler would have been available. Incompetent governance goes hand in hand with betrayal and disaster.<br /><br />We should all thank President Macron for his outburst about our fish, it shows to anyone who wants to see just how bad the deal is. Our friend Mr Trump has done his bit as well, funny when you compare them with their predecessors, who tried to bully us into remain.<br /><br />My vote for leader would be David Davis in charge, Mogg in the treasury, Raab in charge of Brexit as at least he knows at first hand not to trust the civil service. I would have Boris as deputy PM and clear leader. Home Secretary currently is a non entity, leave him and foreign sec where they are. I would have to have someone with a brain at defence but cannot think of who, any ideas?Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15217574100039265130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-24868937045753561762018-11-27T13:27:51.312+00:002018-11-27T13:27:51.312+00:00Dare I say prepare yourselves for a Jo Cox moment,...Dare I say prepare yourselves for a Jo Cox moment, maximum effect would be during that week commencing 2nd Dec. TPTB play hardball.Span Owshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144861546996033462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-74105321344233074732018-11-27T13:04:28.655+00:002018-11-27T13:04:28.655+00:00Dave_G said... It might even end up as a good thin...<b>Dave_G said... It might even end up as a good thing if .gov get their way. </b><br /><br />I have often thought that. Stay with the EU boat all the way to the rocks and sink the bastard properly. But it would need serious politicians to steer that. This lot aren't that clever.mongoosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-14556288560927213732018-11-27T12:49:34.124+00:002018-11-27T12:49:34.124+00:00You are eating too much tripe Ketch. It is spillin...<br />You are eating too much tripe Ketch. It is spilling back out of your gob.<br /><br />Jizza has to get a GE soonest. And pissing off millions of those who came back to ZaNu in 2017 because of his lies about supporting a proper Brexit is not a good plan. Plus he keeps the Cow in to 2022 by which time his shower of shite may not even exist.<br /><br />No matter how much bullshit Tory MPs spew they don't want the dole in Corbynland so they will be loath to have 20 plus million people mightily pissed off at them. As Radders says it is dawning on them how much rage and hate is gathering against them. And they now understand that their "leader" is a mental case They aren't going to kiss the arse of the ever shrinking ranks of remain traitors like you Ketch because you have fuckall to offer them.<br /><br />Mr Ecksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-69082731623520117422018-11-27T12:35:22.459+00:002018-11-27T12:35:22.459+00:00The second reason is the make up of the HoC. There...<i><br />The second reason is the make up of the HoC. There are only about 100 Leave MPs, so about 550 Remains. The Remain MPs believe the twaddle about "cliff edges" and "crashing out"</i><br /><br />I think that's right, except I would add that the Remain MPs, whilst disliking the DWA almost as much as the Leavers (it contradicts the central tenet of Remainaism, ie 'rule makers not just rule takers') are not prepared to <i>risk</i> the 'cliff edge twaddle' NOT being twaddle. Leave tories will be frightened by the threat of a 2nd referendum/ a non-brexit/JC becoming PM, if the DWA doesn't pass so they will hold their noses and vote for it. jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-60142662681376187702018-11-27T12:08:52.938+00:002018-11-27T12:08:52.938+00:00Mongoose, Sorry, I was writing when you commented:...Mongoose, Sorry, I was writing when you commented: "... "huge demand for People's Vote", suspend Article 50, revote with rigged question. End. The same as it ever was, the same as it ever was."Budgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-80778927178614898202018-11-27T12:04:55.656+00:002018-11-27T12:04:55.656+00:00I sincerely hope that the DWA fails to get through...I sincerely hope that the DWA fails to get through Parliament. Unfortunately the Cabinet, with a few exceptions, backed Chequers, the father of the DWA. That's one reason the DWA will get through.<br /><br />The second reason is the make up of the HoC. There are only about 100 Leave MPs, so about 550 Remains. The Remain MPs believe the twaddle about "cliff edges" and "crashing out". They will look at Mrs May's revolving-door Remain DWA, they will look at the "No deal" "catastrophe", and they will vote DWA.<br /><br />The most likely outcome if the DWA does fail in the HoC is the second referendum. The EU will give her a 6 months extension of the Art50 process - it's in their interests, and the DWA "transition" is an extension anyway. And the question will likely be rigged (Revolving-door Remain or original Remain).<br /><br />The establishment simply have too much invested to let this go. This is a dance of political death, but too many Leaves do not realise it. And the Remain dupes cannot see they are turkeys voting for Christmas. I put the odds at 3:2 for Mrs May succeeding.Budgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-77746617621340574612018-11-27T11:53:02.815+00:002018-11-27T11:53:02.815+00:00
It might even end up as a good thing if .gov get ...<br />It might even end up as a good thing if .gov get their way. POPULISM is still on the rise and traitorous actions by mainstream parties can only give impetous to the sea-changes we need in politics - changes that could, even if the UK was sold down the river to the EU, make a reverse possible and give this country a Government that really did work for us. Maybe this betrayal will be the kick start of it all?<br /><br />Either way public opinion of the current domestic political process is tainted beyond recovery and the next GE will be interesting to say the least.<br />Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-55411642425277277822018-11-27T11:49:13.468+00:002018-11-27T11:49:13.468+00:00I think that even this PM should have worked out t...I think that even this PM should have worked out that the Brexit process whatever its outcome must bring with it sufficient political damage to kill its leader. So this is the defining and terminal event of TM's political career, and she should have known it. Alas, she appears not to have twigged.<br /><br />The plan now being floated about a TV debate on 9th Dec is pretty transparent: rubbish Grandpa Jezza, quick rigged polling, "huge demand for People's Vote", suspend Article 50, revote with rigged question. End. The same as it ever was, the same as it ever was.<br /><br />The only escape for TM is if Article 50 is fucked over. TM can then continue to ride the big red bus for another year or two. Has the pig Bercow perhaps been kept on life support just for this eventuality?mongoosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-57764487750836310062018-11-27T11:37:41.959+00:002018-11-27T11:37:41.959+00:00The Financial dip in the economy is a given. To wh...The Financial dip in the economy is a given. To what extent is the question.<br />The thing is, any change of such magnitude is always seen as an opportunity so there will be much volatility in teh markets, that's just the way they work.<br /><br />But such a drastic change is a good opportunity to offload some toxic debt left over from the 2008 crisis, which could make the markets wobble significantly after the initial shock, dpending on who gets lumbered with the toxic stuff. The savvy stockmarketeer will offload it abroad, but there is ample chance for naive traders to be lumbered with lead instad of gold.<br /><br />Plus there's the Soros factor. He's tried to bankrupt the UK before during the ERM crisis, so he has form. <br /><br />Finally we have a pro-Remain Bank of England, who may not be minded to help in a crisis.<br />Mark The Skint Sailorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04892877003107509621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-40025412606002962182018-11-27T10:31:56.818+00:002018-11-27T10:31:56.818+00:00“You have sat too long for any good you have been ...“You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”<br />Oliver Cromwell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-58381138039645145462018-11-27T10:22:40.834+00:002018-11-27T10:22:40.834+00:00I too suspect that May's media offensive will ...I too suspect that May's media offensive will firmly associate her with The Deal that will fail the Commons vote. The media offensive will turn out to be her farewell tour. She may still not want to let go of power but she will be ousted by one means or another.<br /><br />I wouldn't be surprised if a 'caretaker' leader was be selected to get us past Independence Day. Perhaps David Davis - who will prepare for an orderly Clean Brexit first and <i>then</i> prepare for a Canada + (or similar)... and we will still have £39 billion to sweeten the negotiations.DiscoveredJoyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05300239909689336895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-36043561535806716812018-11-27T10:19:45.752+00:002018-11-27T10:19:45.752+00:00May travelling the country with her "message&...May travelling the country with her "message". Didn't she try that one at her snap election? I seem to remember it went down like a cup of cold sick and she was less popular after than before.<br /><br />However I have no confidence that the bastards in the HoC will stop this pile od steaming crap. The have been complicit in giving away our country to Brussells for 45 years. I do not see that changing now.<br /><br />The only way I see them rejecting it is if they can engineer it into a full remain. mikebravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-42323838164926251042018-11-27T10:06:25.529+00:002018-11-27T10:06:25.529+00:00And all this could be short-circuited, if concerne...And all this could be short-circuited, if concerned Brits wake up and move all their savings and investments out of yUK and Europe to avoid the threat of a manufactured crash then bail-ins of their savings.<br /><br />A run on the banks would concentrate the minds of politicians (of all stripes) wonderfully. Politicians playing with fire deserve to get burned.Cascadiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-29722188403417929592018-11-27T09:40:29.221+00:002018-11-27T09:40:29.221+00:00Rossa - Chamberlain was many things but he wasn...Rossa - Chamberlain was many things but he wasn't a traitor.<br /><br />May is.Jack the dognoreply@blogger.com