tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post8880744866554215189..comments2023-09-28T13:28:52.243+01:00Comments on Raedwald: Hammond beware; leaking ex-ministers should be jailedRaedwaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-55837644670350231092019-08-21T19:08:02.881+01:002019-08-21T19:08:02.881+01:00Ok Span Ows, I know, just exasperated! Bad days a...Ok Span Ows, I know, just exasperated! Bad days at the moment! Sorry, Raedwald!m davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933305756610709320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-77921558667160356312019-08-20T15:39:22.629+01:002019-08-20T15:39:22.629+01:00It is a great shame that treason no longer carries...It is a great shame that treason no longer carries the death penalty.<br />You may be able to think of a few suitable candidate but I, of course, couldn't possibly comment...Dioclesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08996613810576387778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-2255824701178451242019-08-19T23:12:31.417+01:002019-08-19T23:12:31.417+01:00Boring? m davies, are you JPM in disguise? Boring ...Boring? m davies, are you JPM in disguise? Boring is what he wants. Trolls ususally are sometimes abusive and spray hate and anti-semitism in an attempt to get blogs shut down; others are ludricrously 'debate-less' (as is the Left in general) and stand out like sore thumbs; others more 'quiet' but stubborn and determined and blinkered making regulars exasperated and the abuse comes the other way. When I say quiet I mean not shouty, JPM is anything but quiet in the number of posts but that is common when there are multiple answerers to his whittering.<br /><br />There are two options, engage or ignore.Span Owshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144861546996033462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-21780989861478712662019-08-19T20:39:54.095+01:002019-08-19T20:39:54.095+01:0012 out of 40 posts by JPM! This site is becoming ...12 out of 40 posts by JPM! This site is becoming boring!m davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933305756610709320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-85161709936195101772019-08-19T17:13:42.486+01:002019-08-19T17:13:42.486+01:00OK JPM that's enough for today. Go down to the...OK JPM that's enough for today. Go down to the pub and annoy those Leavers ...Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-41317002781545636272019-08-19T16:41:30.367+01:002019-08-19T16:41:30.367+01:00JPM @ 09:56 :
You’re trying to change the rules a...JPM @ 09:56 :<br /><br />You’re trying to change the rules again!<br /><br />Parliament set the rules for the referendum and leave won. Leave won not only the most votes but by constituency they won by 64:36. So if Parliament prevents Brexit then the world will know we longer live in a democracy.<br /><br />Post Brexit arrangements may not be fully defined, but then neither is remaining in the EU, especially when we’ve been lied to by successive pro EU politicians for decades.<br /><br />But at least with Brexit we have a chance of influencing how Brexit looks whilst remaining in the EU we would have no influence or control at all and thus we wouldn’t know where we’re heading<br />John Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01368536835090304923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-26124432001649144582019-08-19T16:39:30.268+01:002019-08-19T16:39:30.268+01:00Do you understand the meaning of malfeasance? Ham...<br />Do you understand the meaning of malfeasance? Hammond has been found out to have deliberately NOT advised business to prepare for No deal. That, in and of itself, was a culpable act against the interests of the country.<br /><br />These none action positions by Hammond et al have been taken as deliberate acts to subvert the leave process - how else could they be seen? <br /><br />Along with their pronouncements that basically advertise their incompetence (ie the problems we're told we will face) they have no defence to offer against a charge of malfeasance. I understand the fines for those found guilty include a ban from public office amongst other things. <br /><br />Are you prepared to defend Hammond stance? <br /><br />And, no, the EU doesn't need UK ports etc to reach its other customers but it DOES need the UK markets...... as the recent state of the German economy shows. <br /><br />This whole situation boils down to one simple fact - that an independent UK may show the rest of Europe that the EU (as a political construct) does NOTHING for business or economies and a successful FREE UK exposes the EU as pointless and a worthless expensive waste of time. The EU don't want that to happen hence their intransigence. <br /><br />Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-13779615246141006592019-08-19T16:25:34.973+01:002019-08-19T16:25:34.973+01:00"Doesn't need UK airspace"?
Do you ..."Doesn't need UK airspace"?<br /><br />Do you know what airspace actually is?Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-8031157149795312302019-08-19T16:10:13.480+01:002019-08-19T16:10:13.480+01:00The European Union does not need the UK's port...The European Union does not need the UK's ports, roads, rail and airspace to reach any other of its markets.<br /><br />It accounts for about half of the UK's external markets, but the UK is only a few percent in return.<br /><br />If the UK sold a bit more to the whole world than it bought from it, then do you think that that would enable the UK to bully the whole world?<br /><br />No. So why do you imagine for one moment that it will be able to bully the European Union on that basis?JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-78327755821503488052019-08-19T16:03:49.208+01:002019-08-19T16:03:49.208+01:00JPM @ 14:02 :
“Yes”, the EU may decide to give ai...JPM @ 14:02 :<br /><br />“Yes”, the EU may decide to give aid to Ireland to pay for the extra costs of shipping between themselves, but this isn’t going to solve the problem of queuing lorries at Dover from 01/11/2019 unless the EU has in place right now a frequent and reliable ferry service.<br /><br />I have no problem with the EU charging UK lorries for using their road network and vice versa, particularly since the UK has a £100bn/YEAR trading deficit with the EU.<br /><br />Also, any reduction in the back and forth transport of part made components across the channel will be good for the environment and UK suppliers.<br />John Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01368536835090304923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-75365685303168356742019-08-19T15:33:12.134+01:002019-08-19T15:33:12.134+01:00Dave, this is not a Soviet-style Command Economy.
...Dave, this is not a Soviet-style Command Economy.<br /><br />The goods and services on offer here are almost entirely provided by private companies, who are free to conduct their operations within the law as they see fit.<br /><br />What do you expect civil servants etc. to do, to compel them to work in such a way that you are caused no problems by disruption to these countless private businesses?JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-37925345736073119262019-08-19T15:03:17.610+01:002019-08-19T15:03:17.610+01:00
We might not be able to push a case for treason b...<br />We might not be able to push a case for treason but we can certainly do it for malfeasance in office.<br /><br />If, after three years knowledge of a no deal exit, our political leaders and their minions have FAILED to make the necessary arrangements to cover for difficulties, losses, delays etc then they have singularly FAILED in their duty.<br /><br />Hammond should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, as should all the remoaners in the various ministries that have NEGLECTED to work to the benefit of the British public and economy.<br /><br />Banning them from public office for life, massive fines and/or jail sentences should be encouraged or, rather, demanded.<br /><br />Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-88019678952360983142019-08-19T14:58:51.185+01:002019-08-19T14:58:51.185+01:00Given the massive deficit we have with them I woul...Given the massive deficit we have with them I would question that.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-8599924820043080742019-08-19T14:55:08.316+01:002019-08-19T14:55:08.316+01:00You cannot blame people of an opposing view for pr...You cannot blame people of an opposing view for prosecuting their aims as effectively as they can.<br /><br />It was Nigel Farage after all, who said that a fifty-two to forty-eight percent Remain result "would not be finished business by any means" wasn't it?<br /><br />Hardly surprising really, as he and his kind never even accepted a seventy to thirty result.JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-27600462247440282612019-08-19T14:29:49.598+01:002019-08-19T14:29:49.598+01:00While I share the irritation of some here with the...While I share the irritation of some here with the politicians and others who have gone back on their word / votes in Parliament / manifesto commitments in order to try to subvert the results of the Referendum, I think proving treason would be technically impossible.<br /><br />What they are trying to do, in effect, is to restore / maintain in force ECA 1972, which Lord Justice Laws ruled in the "Metric Martyrs" case was merely an Act enabling secondary legislation (though of a higher kind than most other such Acts and so able to override relevant parts of later Acts of Parliament where they conflict with it.) The judge ruled that Parliament is sovereign at all times and cannot give it away without abolishing itself.<br /><br />So delegating powers to the EU is not permanently giving away sovereignty (otherwise ECA 1972 could not be repealed) and those who want current arrangements to continue cannot be convicted of surrendering the government of the country to a foreign power.<br /><br />That's not to say that prosecution for revealing State secrets might not be appropriate; or impeachment?Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-16966147683146131622019-08-19T14:19:47.876+01:002019-08-19T14:19:47.876+01:00Not sure about the exact count but there are at le...Not sure about the exact count but there are at least 20 strawmen in JPM comments ion this thread alone. <br /><br />I'll pick a couple: no lies re 350 mil (as you know [and as has now been proven in court!]) so a 100% straight-up strawman...or should I say 'lie' by JPM.<br /><br />Another: he calls 'liars' all those people said it would be easy to get a deal. They weren't lying, they were stating what would happen if all was normal. Imagine you said "Tomorrow it will be easy to catch a bus" but the bus company - intentionally and to spite YOU - stops all the buses running, then calls you a liar...yeah, ban to rights guv. An ridiculous example I admit, to highlight your ridiculous waffling. <br /><br />I would say 99.9999% of all the lies from the Referendum campaign came form the Remain side. Span Owshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10144861546996033462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-26880547134204795312019-08-19T14:02:38.322+01:002019-08-19T14:02:38.322+01:00Aid to Ireland, to offset additional costs in sea ...Aid to Ireland, to offset additional costs in sea routes all the way to the Mainland - and others, as I understand it, JB. <br /><br />We have no idea as yet, what the charges might be under No Deal, for UK freight to use the infrastructure on the Mainland, either for the European Union's market or for places beyond, RAC.<br /><br />One thing is sure though. The UK needs that, far more than the European Union needs the UK's.<br /><br />Doesn't it?JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-50045867769175375252019-08-19T13:11:25.650+01:002019-08-19T13:11:25.650+01:00Hmmmm without charge............yet. Ask not for w...Hmmmm without charge............yet. Ask not for whom the bell "tolls"RAC Esq.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-59940538807174921662019-08-19T12:52:11.029+01:002019-08-19T12:52:11.029+01:00JPM @ 10:00 : “The European Union has anticipated ...JPM @ 10:00 : “The European Union has anticipated and planned for that, JB.”<br /><br />So, what’s the plan then please, JPM ?<br /><br />As someone who lives in Kent, I hope it’s a direct link from the ROI to the Continent so as to reduce congestion and pollution on the M25, the Dartford Crossing and roads to Dover and the Tunnel. <br /><br />All of which are used by the rEU without charge.<br />John Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01368536835090304923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-85349660212953555582019-08-19T12:36:52.052+01:002019-08-19T12:36:52.052+01:00You haven't a clue what I want or do not, FN, ...You haven't a clue what I want or do not, FN, but you will claim that you know whatever I say, so enjoy your imaginings.<br /><br />Dave, I don't see your problem. It looks very much like the UK will leave the European Union, and yet you are as distressed as ever.<br /><br />What is the matter with you?JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-82407196760311940072019-08-19T12:27:09.443+01:002019-08-19T12:27:09.443+01:00@ Dave_G 11:29
You missed out, smug conceited wor...@ Dave_G 11:29<br />You missed out, smug conceited word conjuring number juggler, AKA globo fraud and con artist. RAC Esq.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-41287353397713562692019-08-19T11:33:42.388+01:002019-08-19T11:33:42.388+01:00So anyway, please stop talking about "medicin...<i>So anyway, please stop talking about "medicine shortages", they just are not going to happen. Or at least if they do, they will be caused by specific political activity focused on inventing that problem, rather than a no deal (or nay other kind of) Brexit.<br /><br />I hope this helps.</i><br /><br />That doesn't help Cheerful at all. He WANTS the misery. To prove he was correct all along.Fearful Nednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-24766936303959335452019-08-19T11:29:13.344+01:002019-08-19T11:29:13.344+01:00Much as I am for free speech it is about time Raed...<br />Much as I am for free speech it is about time Raed stopped JPM from spouting his repeated fallacies and made-up examples of Brexit, the percentages, the 'deal' etc etc.<br /><br />JPM clearly doesn't understand the meaning of words such as 'democracy', 'populism' etc and is simply wasting time and space regurgitating the same lies and obfuscations ad infinitum.<br /><br />There are videos of the major players admitting that Brexit meant (KNOWINGLY) leaving without a deal, the idea that the vote was 'illegal' or invalid due to numbers is simply ridiculous and the scaremongering has been repeatedly shown to be fabrication.<br /><br />I'd be happy for a deal - the deal would be "the UK gets its sovereignty back, retains control of its seas and borders and trades openly with the EU - the EU gets the same for their borders, their seas and their trade".<br /><br />That's it. Equality. And given the EU needs our markets more than we need theirs, this deal is more favourable to them than us so what's to complain about?<br /><br />The UK - indeed ANY country - shouldn't have to pay one cent for access. If anything the EU could cream off a percentage of all sales (it does anyway via VAT) and leave it at that. Countries are paying to create a separate, unaccountable, dictatorial, over-zealous, regulating, oppressive and expansionist cabal that have zero interest in the population (else they'd get permission at every step of the way) that are over-riding national interests, creating debt, confusion and xenophobia on their way to their totalitarian future.<br /><br />Fuck the EU. Fuck the likes of JPM that is blind to it. Celebrate democracy and ensure the popular will of those entitled and bothered to vote is carried out WITHOUT DELAY and without misinterpretation.<br /><br />We voted to LEAVE THE EU. We should have left over 2 years ago.<br /><br />Ban JPM FFS.Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-76353457553727030792019-08-19T11:17:55.504+01:002019-08-19T11:17:55.504+01:00Anon, if plenty of the electorate did not fall for...Anon, if plenty of the electorate did not fall for lies, then there would never have been a Tory government since WWII and probably for decades before too.<br /><br />From here, it looks to me, that without the many years of industrial-scale lies from the American and aristocracy-owned UK press, the referendum would have been eighty-five to fifteen Remain.<br /><br />But it was what it was, and so the UK will leave.<br /><br />You won. Get over it.JPMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-7405015730485277992019-08-19T11:09:39.996+01:002019-08-19T11:09:39.996+01:00Ecky, lying is when you *know* what you are saying...Ecky, lying is when you *know* what you are saying to be false, such as that the European Union costs the UK three hundred and fifty million pounds a week, when the head of ONS has explained to you more than once that it does not..<br /><br />Some of the things that I have said might turn out to be inaccurate down to error or to whatever, but I sincerely believed them to be correct at the time.<br /><br />That is not lying. Now look at the Leave side.JPMnoreply@blogger.com