tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post9030683328684156422..comments2023-09-28T13:28:52.243+01:00Comments on Raedwald: Press censorship: Europe's most repressive nationsRaedwaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-68263839697712597922018-09-26T03:03:28.733+01:002018-09-26T03:03:28.733+01:00The Guardian article tells less than half the stor...The Guardian article tells less than half the story (surprise, surprise).<br /><br />Here is a much better expose:<br /><br />https://pjmedia.com/trending/eu-justice-commissioner-says-media-must-be-regulated-to-prevent-hate/<br /><br />The EU-approved candidates keep getting beaten by populists (Austria, Hungary, Poland, Germany, Italy, Greece, Spain etc) espousing amongst other things the idea that European society was not built-and-paid-for to be plundered by ungrateful gimmegrants. Such obvious truths do not fit EU thinking and must be expunged.<br /><br />Cascadiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-54468924200635850322018-09-25T14:16:11.782+01:002018-09-25T14:16:11.782+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-83126518795259908542018-09-25T13:30:21.293+01:002018-09-25T13:30:21.293+01:00and more detail in a piece by Ambrose in the Specc...and more detail in a piece by Ambrose in the Speccie (18 Nov 2000). Brief mention of the faulty translation defence:<br />http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/18th-november-2000/12/now-its-blasphemy-to-mock-europerayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10649828171529288426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-72595522605248801652018-09-25T12:02:52.276+01:002018-09-25T12:02:52.276+01:00A while ago but relevant:
https://www.telegraph.co...A while ago but relevant:<br />https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1325398/Euro-court-outlaws-criticism-of-EU.htmlrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10649828171529288426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-33094750501103558152018-09-25T12:01:09.242+01:002018-09-25T12:01:09.242+01:00not alter the original tone. It is not an exact sc...<i>not alter the original tone. It is not an exact science.</i> Ed Spalton<br /><br />Indeed, a classic example being that fairly recent supposed comment from Juncker about "Brexit <i>can</i> not be a success". Hands up all those who read that as 'Ve kann not allow ze Brexit to be ein Success'? <br />jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-1217496990629581312018-09-25T11:51:13.422+01:002018-09-25T11:51:13.422+01:00Britain's incredibly lax press rules Peter Mc...<i>Britain's incredibly lax press rules </i> Peter Mcfarlane<br /><br />You are right of course but in the yUK publishing a cartoon of the PaedoProfit is not an act of criminal defamation but rather a 'hate' crime....perhaps and no doubt a breach of any newspaper's liability insurance... jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-31011174759612798202018-09-25T10:09:06.349+01:002018-09-25T10:09:06.349+01:00You'll find out all about Britain's incred...You'll find out all about Britain's incredibly lax press rules if you publish a cartoon about Mahomet. Or even think about doing so.Peter MacFarlanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05554166005487231094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-88883108487691293432018-09-25T08:48:50.730+01:002018-09-25T08:48:50.730+01:00Jack Ketch,
Thank you for the words of caution. I...Jack Ketch,<br /><br />Thank you for the words of caution. I must also advise a spelling mistake. The Advocate General's second name has an o at the end. It is Jarabo .<br /><br />I used to do German/English translation for that excellent website<br />www.german-foreign-policy.com and often struggled to hit things right and not alter the original tone. It is not an exact science.<br /><br /> At one point I tried one of the translating programs (then in an early stage). It came up with a very curious phrase "The never flax sinking day" . The original was "Sankt Nimmerleinstag"<br />more or less "St. Never's Day" . i.e a day which will never come.Edward Spaltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168350315689612490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-30553838995939611622018-09-25T08:05:21.130+01:002018-09-25T08:05:21.130+01:00Criticism of the EU is akin to blasphemy and can b...<i>Criticism of the EU is akin to blasphemy and can be restricted</i><br /><br />As a former translator I can see 3 words in that sentence that set off my mental alarm bells. I don't speak a word of Spanish beyond 'uno watneys red barrelo garcon por favor' but I will wager that that sentence does not <i>quite</i> mean what most Brits would think it does.<br /><br />Granted it is still pretty bad, even if I'm right about how it is to be understood but it isn't quite as frothy mouthed fanatical as it appears.<br />jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-4586533920965773002018-09-25T08:00:13.676+01:002018-09-25T08:00:13.676+01:00The more there is to criticise (and lampoon) the m...The more there is to criticise (and lampoon) the more restrictive they'll become.DeeDee99https://www.blogger.com/profile/06753473473887381622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-71406919415171522452018-09-25T07:55:15.978+01:002018-09-25T07:55:15.978+01:00which stops German papers reporting public corrupt...<i>which stops German papers reporting public corruption in advance of criminal convictions</i><br /><br />Does it? I think the former Burgomaster of Regensburg would be surprised to hear that...and countless others. Yes the laws <i>could</i> prevent reporting of such things but they tend to be used only for their original purpose which was to prevent the use of one of the Nazi's infamous tatics of using the press to baselessly smear opponents. Unlike the oh-so-liberal yUK where papers can pretty much print what they like about someone IF they are prepared to pay damages IF that person can afford to take them to court, German papers have to at least have some evidence. Is that illiberal? Maybe but I would plead a 'special case' for Germany in this regard. After the war the Fathers of the German Constitution(s) and legal system were genuinely concerned that 'it' should never happened again...hence the verbot on swastika tattoos etc. <br /><br />As to the maligning of the dead, two words: Jimmy Savile. jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-35708019883277149462018-09-25T06:41:34.877+01:002018-09-25T06:41:34.877+01:00Edward - you win the crown for that quote - amazin...Edward - you win the crown for that quote - amazing!<br /><br />I give you fair notice that I'm going to steal it and use it often ;)Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-27414301724875432382018-09-25T06:18:06.137+01:002018-09-25T06:18:06.137+01:00This sort of licensed abuse is a pretty harmless s...This sort of licensed abuse is a pretty harmless safety valve. It did not affect M. Delors in the least and deflected attention from his highly placed British collaborators who were free to advance his project.<br /><br />However, there is not much doubt about the EU's mindset and ambitions in this sort of thing.<br /><br />" Criticism of the EU is akin to blasphemy and can be restricted WITHOUT AFFECTING FREEDOM OF SPEECH" ( my capitals)<br />Ruiz Jarab Colomer, Advocate General of the EU Court of Justice 19 October 2000 Case c-274/99.Edward Spaltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168350315689612490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-11671931331284513482018-09-25T05:19:43.041+01:002018-09-25T05:19:43.041+01:00Jack - thanks, you're right. However, I'm ...Jack - thanks, you're right. However, I'm keeping Germany in the 'most repressive nation' category for maintaining on the statute-book Art 188 of the criminal code, under which 'defaming a person involved in popular political life' will get you 3 months to 5 years inside - which stops German papers reporting public corruption in advance of criminal convictions<br /><br />And Art 189 to boot - which imposes two years prison for defaming a dead person.<br /><br />Germany is quite definitely NOT a liberal nation.<br /><br /> Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-46478863849445386452018-09-24T23:33:09.489+01:002018-09-24T23:33:09.489+01:00PS. Just checked, the German law was formerly repe...PS. Just checked, the German law was formerly repealed on the 1st of January this year.jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-42307850822033220022018-09-24T23:30:10.844+01:002018-09-24T23:30:10.844+01:00I thought after Erdogan got his knickers in such a...I thought after Erdogan got his knickers in such a twist about *that* song by a German comedian, Germany had decided to scrap the ' Lèse-majesté ' laws ?jack ketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921268825653615322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-26369738685952408982018-09-24T22:45:53.938+01:002018-09-24T22:45:53.938+01:00The British press might be free to comment in the ...The British press might be free to comment in the way it seems fit, but it seems to me that it invariably chooses to ignore the opinions of the people that buy its products and push the message that our treacherous civil service wishes to convey.<br /><br />Sometimes it is so blatant that I am wondering whether it is some sort of experiment in extreme irony?<br /><br />Perhaps, in the same way that the city of Liverpool has refused to read the Sun since it abused its people killed at Sheffield, the rest of us should stop buying these rags, let's save a tree for Brexit!<br /><br />Woger Wobbins!<br /><br />Stephen Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16628822966183977715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-46418167869968418542018-09-24T21:26:21.370+01:002018-09-24T21:26:21.370+01:00"a bit like having an Admiral on the governme..."a bit like having an Admiral on the government payroll in Switzerland"<br /><br />Switzerland has a navy, it's a couple of boats patrolling their half of Lake Constance etc.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ch%5Enavy.html" rel="nofollow">source</a>.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1537213245172078183.post-7652967653233302792018-09-24T21:16:46.044+01:002018-09-24T21:16:46.044+01:00And, just because I can (but I don't know for ...<br />And, just because I can (but I don't know for how long) the whole institute of the EU and, in particular the despotic, unelected leadership, can kiss my hairy and somewhat spotty arse.<br /><br />You're welcome.<br />Dave_Gnoreply@blogger.com