The Prime Minister has been clear. We were open to a deal, we wanted a deal - a deal that was a mutually agreed amicable parting from the terms of a customs union by advanced democracies. Instead the draft Selmayr-Robbins Treaty was no better than Versailles or Brest-Litovsk, a humiliating subjugation of a beaten enemy. No wonder our MPs, normally undiscerningly coprophagic, would not go into history on record as the Parliament which agreed to this humiliation.
Yet still the EU zealots and their moronic dags pretend even now this poisonous refuse is the agreement reached between the EU and the UK. It is not. Oliver Robbins was a second-tier bureaucrat, a servant of the State - he did not have the power to agree anything. Perhaps the EU officials simply do not understand the non-power of bureaucrats in a functioning democracy. Their paper is as empty, as vacuous and as bereft of merit as that waved by Herr Chamberlain with Mr Hitler's squiggle upon it.
The EU officials will not change their stance. With their six-figure incomes, their lives of remote luxury, their fleet of Zils to shield them from the populace, their personal immunity from the effects on trade and business, they don't care. Their 'principles' cost them nothing. It is the farmers of the Auvergne, the auto workers of Bayern, the vignerons of the Sud who will pay for their zealotry.
The EU have forced no-deal upon us. It's not something we wanted, but the only choice they're prepared to give is to swallow their humiliating surrender document or leave on bad terms. So bad terms it is. We will turn to the anglophone world, to the nations of the Commonwealth, across the oceans rather than across the channel, to the sea routes and lands to which we turned in the time of the eighth Henry, the last time we were excommunicated by a European Union. Oh yes, they've done it before. Last time they caused the nascent founding of the British Empire at the dawn of the 17th century.
So the government is to launch a £100m advertising campaign to prepare the nation for no deal. We must all work to minimise the effects on this nation of the EU's intransigent zealotry. Yes, they're trying to wound us - but will wound themselves more deeply. As a nation and a union, we're agile enough, resourceful enough and have enough friends around the world to minimise their vindictiveness. Unfortunately for the EU27, the EU cannot say the same.
I think that you could have chosen better examples, to compare the UK and the Continent's respective futures than in car workers and farmers, my friend.
ReplyDeleteVauxhall are the latest to announce proposed off-shoring of UK jobs in response to the likely no deal exit from the European Union.
Bollocks. Utter moronic drivel. The global contraction of the car industry has nothing to do with Brexit - why do you imagien Nissan are axing 12,000 jobs worldwide? However, BMW, VW & Audi will be hard hit by Brexit tariffs on their cars, exacerbating the background trend.
ReplyDeleteI'm doing my bit with my purchasing "policy" and by holidaying in the UK this year, with a trip to New Zealand being planned for next year.
ReplyDeleteI have no interest in saving our continental neighbours from the EUSSR they have created/allowed to be created. I just don't want them having an automatic, unrestricted and welfare-subsidised bolt-hole in the UK, when it all gets too painful for them.
Al Johnson might well be working hard so that government agencies are prepared for a cliff edge. But let's remember, that without an agreement of some kind, in principle there will be no access to European Union ports, roads, airspace, fisheries, or markets on November the first.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to see how those twenty-seven nations need ours more than vice-versa.
But most of all, the thousands upon thousands of UK businesses, which trade with them will need to put their own specific plans in place. In some cases that will be impossible, and their trade will simply cease. British Steel's customers cancelled their orders in response to the position for instance.
Impact analysis in the UK was kept secret by its government. It was not across the Channel.
Why might that be, do we think?
People like cars that are fuelled by hydro-carbons,, they have become reliable and very capable.
ReplyDeleteSome people, those with mental disorders (MP's and the like) like to dictate to, rather than manage the people that entrusted them to look after their wellbeing.
They have recently hitched a ride on the latest bandwagon, and are currently banging the drum for electrically powered cars, they claim that they are green, or some such nonsense. The only thing that is green 'round here are those MP's, who have been right royally had.
Anyway, the reason that car companies are laying people off is because, electric cars have a relatively small number of parts, compared to the more efficient petrol/diesel cars. They do not need the manpower. It is as simple as that.
I suspect that this is the last throw of the dice for the germans, nobody will support the rise of the fifth Reich, and the fourth one is beginning to looking like a failure.
Al Johnson said that he did not expect there to be any fossil-fuelled cars in London by the 2030s, Right-writes. It was he who planned the Ultra Low Emmission Zone.
ReplyDelete2/4 JPM
ReplyDeleteAnd don't believe me - look on fullfact.org
96% of UK businesses do NO trade with the EU. Don't be gulled by the globalist corporates of the CBI - they speak only for the corporates, not for British business.
Numerically that is true, Raedwald. There are millions of one-person businesses in the gig economy. However, commercial ties with the European Union give the UK four hundred billion pounds a year.
ReplyDeleteNot only that, but road freight for Turkey, Russia, Ukraine, etc. uses its ports and roads.
That's some tap to turn off overnight.
You haven't thought this through, have you?
Well, let's wait until the end of November, shall we?
ReplyDeleteIn the words of ACM Sir Hugh Dowding, if you're right, London will collapse in a week. If I'm right, we've won ;)
I have written to the PM and some others as follows:
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Suggested terms to use in Article 50 Withdrawal Agreement negotiating strategy
As you know, Article 50 (2) includes the words “the Union shall negotiate ***and conclude*** an agreement with that State” (my emphasis).
From this it is clear that the onus is on the EU’s negotiating team to secure a mutually satisfactory agreement, and that a failure to do so can be counted as their failure.
This is further underscored by Lord Kerr’s comments in relation to Article 50 (which he himself wrote): “What we were devising was a procedure to try to reduce the legal chaos and uncertainty of somebody storming out in a huff” (interview with Eddie Mair, 20 March 2019.)
May I suggest that one tactic in further discussions with M. Barnier et al. should be repeated use of the terms FAIL/FAILURE.
The EU’s intransigence on the dWA risks not only the one-off divorce settlement of c. £39 billion but serious long-term disruption to EU economies (especially Germany’s), with attendant internal political difficulties for them. It could be intimated to Barnier – and to the general public – that continued inflexibility would be in effect a dereliction of his duty to the EU and its member nations. He will have failed them, massively.
This may work both psychologically, politically and in PR terms to our advantage.
With regard to the CBI we need to remember that they do not publish a membership list or how they are funded, although we do know they receive some funding from the EU.
ReplyDeleteSo we have no have no idea who they really represent.
JPM at 0800 :
ReplyDeleteHow are Continental EU and Ireland going to ship goods between themselves other than through the UK ?
Whatever holdups at Dover/Calais are introduced by the French (not that we didn't have numerous episodes before Brexit was even though of)this will also affect Ireland, if not Continental EU as their trucks will be late back.
As someone who lives just south of the M25 I am looking forward to the Irish organising a different route for their Continental EU goods to reduce congestion and pollution in my area.
Yes, John Brown, the European Union's people and officials are fully aware that the Tories are saying to them "look, we've got your kid" over Ireland's trade.
ReplyDeleteThey respond as would any normal, decent people to such a threat, by resolute solidarity with Ireland, and with the promise to give whatever aid is necessary to offset damage brought about by the position.
Raedwald, sensible people are not saying either of those two silly extremes. Dowding's words are the usual idiotic straw men.
All in all, this is not one of your better pieces IMO.
@Cheerful
ReplyDelete"resolute solidarity with Ireland"
Do you seriously think the average french farmer give a tuppenny fuck for his Irish counterpart?
Do you really believe that any of the myriad recipients of EU handouts will surrender one groat to help paddy?
Seriously, do you?
The EU are not going to turn the tap off, they have plans in place to keep traffic moving. Calais cannot afford chaos, no more than Dover.
ReplyDeleteIt’s the same old story, the day after Brexit we will all wake up and carry on.
As Raedwald says, we'll see, won't we, Mark? The European Union officials and other leaders have been a hundred per cent consistent so far as to doing as they have said they would.
ReplyDeleteSackerson, all civil law has an implied clause to its requirements which is "as far as is reasonably possible". There's loads of case law on what that means in different circumstances.
The UK could try going to the Hague about it, but demanding that twenty-seven other nations tear up their Lisbon Treaty and the Good Friday Agreement would not be deemed reasonable, I don't think. Do you?
ReplyDeleteThe EU dance to the tune of the Coporates and if the Corporates think their bottom line will be affected by 'intransigence' then they will do whatever it takes to avoid that event - even if it means cutting the balls off the 'official' EU leadership and their attrocious handling of the matter.
As such the ports WILL keep trading, the trade links WILL continue and profits WILL continue to be made.
We place far too much emphasis on the appearance of EU leadership and their decisions when we all know the real power is held by those that make the money.
BTW - "coprophagic" - brilliant! Can I borrow your 'book of insults' Raed?
@Cheerful
ReplyDeleteYou are of course assuming that EU "law" will be obeyed.
Who is demanding that the "EU constitution" (sorry, lisbon treaty) be torn up apart from you in your fevered imaginings?
I expect it to be treated with the same solemnity as, you know, binding budget deficit limits, convergence criteria for the Eurine, things like that.
I can imagine (indeed expect) some theatrics here and there but happens if the Euro stasi get all anal with inbound UK traffic at one port in one gau while the officials in another gau wave everything through?
Mark at 10:04 wrote:
ReplyDelete"Do you really believe that any of the myriad recipients of EU handouts will surrender one groat to help paddy?"
Rhetoric I understand, but a good answer might be...
"Currently, but not necessarily so in the future".
... A bit long winded I know, but if we eventually do get to leave the EU, we won'y be helping them out as recipients of EU grift any more.
We will just have to do it out of the goodness of our hearts... AGAIN. :)
@Tearful... Indeed, the reason that car manufacturers are laying folk off, is because politicians are busily breaking the market for that form of transport. The plans for a new electric world are as fanciful as they were in the 1950's.
Todays Vauxhall announcement is calculated bullshit
ReplyDelete(1) They know already what the effect of WTO tariffs will be on their imported parts as the tariff has already been scheduled
(2) They are really fishing for UK government subsidies. While in the EU we can't do that - although the French ignore EU rules and do it anyway
(3) If the tariffs hit car imports from Germany Italy and France, then people here will buy more Vauxhalls because they'll be cheaper.
More Brexit bashing propaganda from big business...
@JPM: I'm talking about the dWA, which surely is open to renegotiation. Barnier folding his arms from December 2018 on is not negotiation, it's an ultimatum, and he is failing in his duty under 50 (2).
ReplyDeleteIn your opinion, Sackerson. I can't speak for the judges in a putative Hague hearing. If it falls under its jurisdiction at all, that is. If not, then which court would enforce your claim?
ReplyDeleteThe ECJ?!!
ReplyDeleteNo Deal it is. Ready for whatever is needed--including turning out in the street to put down traitors like Cheesy, JPM, Ketch or any other EU-sucking trash.
The EU cunts will do ANYTHING they can to try and fuck us up economically as No Deal happens. Since we survived 2 World Wars--we will survive No Deal. But do not forget--the time for our retaliation against the EU--and its chome-grown traitors-- will also be on its way.
Don't worry Mr. Ecks.
ReplyDeleteThat chirpy sense of humour of yours will see you through.
@JPM 13:55 - it would be a bit ironic for us to ask for a European Court ruling when we want nothing to do with their legal authority. But as PR I think it works - if May could have got some movement on the dWA to make it palatable to a Parliament already largely predisposed to Remain, I'm sure she would. It's the refusal - as head of the negotiating team for the EU - to change even a comma that make it fair comment to load the blame on Barnier and tell the public that. Warning him that that's what we shall do might just get him to shift his stone bottom a bit.
ReplyDeleteThey can no more negotiate than Crassus could negotiate with Spartacus and for pretty much the same reason.
ReplyDeleteThey are the masters, we are the slaves and must be brought to heel.
I'm not being sarcastic here. This is what they believe.
Sackerson, The European Union, as signatories and guarantors to the GFA, as well as under the terms of the Lisbon Treaty, cannot scrap the backstop.
ReplyDeleteIf Johnson made a proposal which rendered the backstop unnecessary, then the European Union would probably accept that, however.
That might involve an agreement with a different guarantor of the GFA, with the US, say. The Irish have recently reminded Trump of his responsibilities under this, quite reasonably, incidentally.
So Al Johnson could say, propose an interim customs union with the European Union, to be terminated if desired, at a time when the US was satisfied that its circumstances did not endanger the GFA.
I'm just guessing, but what did Dominic Cummings mean by his strong words about the ERG etc.?
JPM "I'm just guessing, but what did Dominic Cummings mean by his strong words about the ERG etc.?"
ReplyDeletePresumably you mean your comment form the previous post that you are clearly upset nobody answered. I'll help you out: "He also branded David Davis, the former Brexit secretary, “thick as mince and lazy as a toad”, and described the Tory European Research Group as “useful idiots for Remain”.
IMHO, his comments re DD could be true, no idea but it is his opinion and on both points I would suggest he is bitchy and hyperbolic.
The EU has as much interest in the GFA as it has in Spanish youth employment or Greek democracy i.e. bugger all.
Also IMHO, his comments re the ERG are a desperate weak double bluff attempt to get others to vote for May's surrender treaty when they were still trying to convince everyone thought it was the only option other than Remain (in Boris and Mogg's - amongst others - case it succeeded).
A £100 million ad campaign ! ! ! well that's going to stick in the BBC's craw, Ha Ha Ha I hope it chokes em.
ReplyDeleteHere is a short educational film for snowfakes who thought the world only started when we were fraudulently tricked into the eu.(it's entertaining for all actually)
http://film.britishcouncil.org/atlantic
Dominic Cummings is Al Johnson's chief of staff and strategist.
ReplyDeleteSo what does his saying that "triggering Article Fifty too soon was like putting a gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger" suggest that his - and Johnson's - aims might be?
Come on?
@JPM: Dominic Cummings appears a bit impressed with his own intelligence but lacking in diplomatic skills.
ReplyDeleteI am interested by your comments on the GFA and the Irish backstop, and you adumbration of a way out on that. You give the impression of speaking with some insight and authority. You wouldn't happen to have been involved in advising the Government in some way, would you?
Yet surely the Irish backstop is not the only negotiating point in the dWA. I may have missed it, but I haven't seen any indication that the EU side have been prepared to alter any other point in the 500-odd pages, either.
I've always had the impression that the cleverclogs EU lawyers simply seized on Ireland with glee, as a pretext. If an issue like that that had been an objection to our joining the EU I don't think it would have put them off. Look at how they winked at financial obstacle to countries like Greece joining the Eurozone.
Cheerful, ends to understand. We are leaving. Goodbye.
ReplyDeleteSo long and thanks for all the damaging fish quotas.
sometimes the gloom really sets in R, I am not sure at all if it's not already too late and this - words fail me.
ReplyDelete"Labour have selected a 24-year-old foul-mouthed former student politician to take on Boris Johnson in his Uxbridge constituency. Ali Milani, who was profiled by JOE.co.uk last week, has just finished serving as a Vice President of the NUS, after working as president of Brunel Student Union."
here: https://order-order.com/2019/07/29/meet-labours-ali-milani/
dear God I beg, we are lost.
Anglophone world? "The nations of the Commonwealth"?
ReplyDeleteOnly 3% of its people live in Aus, NZ and Canada. The billions live in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Ghana and the rest.
What the UK does in the name of the Commonwealth for one it must do for them all. They have long memories too.
Good luck with that.
I think the point of Ali Milani is not to win an election against Boris, but to try to trap him into saying something "islamophobic".
ReplyDeleteThe anti-Semites obviously want to paint the Tories as anti-Islamic.
Don Cox
Mrs. May in her desire for the UK to remain permanently in the EU as a vassal state, whilst attempting to pretend to the UK public that we were exiting the EU, gave the EU such a good deal that the EU has now become the equivalent of the monkey who is unable to extract his hand from the cookie jar.
ReplyDeleteAs a result “no deal” (WTO terms) is the only option which shows the world that the UK is still a democracy.
We were told that the Government would do what we decided in the Referendum. We voted to leave and leave we must irrespective of any economic downsides. Democracy demands it. I suspect there will be comparatively few problems.
ReplyDeleteLovely artwork on the new ads. Thankfully avoided Suella's 'shouty' attempts.
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