Can you show me any MRP polls that put TBP ahead of the Conservatives in any of these seats?
It's pure Farage vanity and childish conceit and it will destroy Brexit.
I simply don't know what else to say.
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Sorry, but there's no polite way to say this. The Brexit party is set to deliver Corbyn an election victory and destroy Brexit. It's the same in a whole mass of Leave seats.
Can you show me any MRP polls that put TBP ahead of the Conservatives in any of these seats?
It's pure Farage vanity and childish conceit and it will destroy Brexit.
I simply don't know what else to say.
Can you show me any MRP polls that put TBP ahead of the Conservatives in any of these seats?
It's pure Farage vanity and childish conceit and it will destroy Brexit.
I simply don't know what else to say.
From what I've seen following most of the polls via Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ), listening to more political podcasts and reading more political commentary from all sides than is healthy, its not certain TBP vote will go to the Tories.
ReplyDeleteIf anything in some seats it might be better for Tories to stand down.
What a strange world it is when those who want to leave the EU all lemming like suddenly decide to vote for something different, something that is not leaving the EU, at least not without total belief in the elegant words of one of the nation's most infamous liars.
ReplyDeleteNowt queer as folk.
Well if this does come to pass I doubt most will blame Farage; most would blame the real reason: Conservative Party hubris.
ReplyDeleteRaedwald, can I suggest you write to BoJo and Cummings and ask them to stand down in these seats. Expalin it's for the good of Brexit etc or course, although that will get short shrift as they don't give a monkies.
ReplyDeleteBruges Group have good news:
https://twitter.com/BrugesGroup/status/1200859740345184257
"And now for the best news of the evening; Dominic Grieve is on track to lose his seat in Beaconsfield to Conservative Brexiteer Joy Morrissey."
You see, that is making sure a pro Brexit member wins. Why should TBP stand down where a Conservative Remain supporter is standing?
Spam Ows - I will gladly plead with my party to stand down in any seats in which TBP is ahead of the Conservatives in the MRP polls - but which are they? Are there any?
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ReplyDeleteRaed, are you assuming Tory voters would turn to Labour or Lib Dems rather than TBP if a choice had to be made?
And this is all predicted on such polls being truly representative of the potential results. I've seen far too many polls that don't even include TBP as contenders....
The useless tories are finding out that some people won't be fooled again.
ReplyDeleteI suspect that many TBP voters would rather abstain or spoil their ballots rather than vote for the lying, cheating tories who think that conservatives are their personal fools.
My feeling is that UKIP/TBP voters are not by any means all natural Tories. My analysis of my own constituency (southern swing marginal) is that the UKIP vote was drawn about 50/50 from Labour and Tory, based on the level of the UKIP vote in 2017 vs 2015. And I suspect that in northern seats such as mentioned TBP vote is more ex-Labour than ex-Tory. And as such if TBP stood down the Tories would gain only a fraction of those votes. Most would probably just not vote at all, because they are the sort of people who just don't vote Tory. Its a fallacy that TBP/Tory are interchangeable, I really don't think they are, especially in the north. I've always thought that the best target for a new socially conservative party (such as UKIP was) was the disenfranchised northern Labour voters who just can't ever bring themselves to vote Tory.
ReplyDeletePolls...have sweet FA to do with predictions, & everything to do with managing electoral results.
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ReplyDeleteRaedwald, who cares who is ahead in famously unreliable polling; I want a Leave MP to win...do you?
If TBP is responsible for a Corbyn government they will not be forgiven - the party will be destroyed.
ReplyDeleteThe Conservative Party has spent the past month actively campaigning in seats where the Brexit Party would stand a very good chance of winning if they had a clear run. The CON Party has deliberately set out to "split" the Brexit vote and now, as I said the other day, demands that the Brexit Party and its supporters stand down.
ReplyDeleteFarage has compromised. The CONs haven't. This is just another demand for "droit de seigneur" from the arrogant Tories.
I have just voted for UKIP. Our conservative MP voted against Brexit and was thrown out of the party. Then Boris forgave her and she's running again. He may have forgiven her. I have not and I never will. The Conservatives are running the wrong candidate in my constituency.
ReplyDeleteHector Drummond recommended the following a wee while back:
ReplyDeletehttp://tacticalbrexit.org/
I have already voted by post.
ReplyDeleteThe choice : A useless Tory, Labour (enough said), Green (looney) or Independent (who just happens to be the Lib Dem not allowed to stand)
Thankfully, it will make no difference here who I vote for as the Tory incumbent has a 17,000 majority.
So I put "Vote Muppet" on mine as - lets face it - you'll get one anyway...
doesnt matter as Boris's deal is brexit in name only - we need to get rid of all the current parties
ReplyDeleteTerence patrick hewett 07:19
ReplyDelete"If TBP is responsible for a Corbyn government they will not be forgiven - the party will be destroyed"
Ditto for the Conservatives; for TBP, 8 months old, will suck it up. How so the Consevatives?