Out go Soubry. Grieve. Swinson. Pidcock. Ummuna. Williamson. Wollaston. Lee. Gyimah. Dent Coad. They just keep coming. Corbyn petulant and whiny blaming everyone but himself; I think the comrades will defenestrate him by the end of next week. A couple of Labourites lost that I'd rather had stayed; Caroline Flint and Luciana Berger, whom I would dearly have loved to see as the next Labour leader.
Even better is watching the anger, shock and humiliation of the Remainers, who have now lost their last chance of blocking Brexit, all those prattish actors now feeling very sheepish, the Luvvie's Vote campaigners wondering who will feed them now, the has-beens. They're yet to show us the devastated faces of Blair, Major, Heseltine and the like but that's something to savour later over the smoked salmon and Cava. The TV faces look as shattered as they did in June 2016; Bercow a picture of slumped misery, Guardianistas numb with shock and grief. They believed their own propaganda.
What the fuck did they all think? That 17.4m of us would just say "Oh, OK, let's forget it then"?
The election is won. That hurdle is over. The future begins.
Oh yes. As a footnote, This. Thanks for nothing Nigel.
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Referenced in the comments re the SNP seats
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Spot on Radders.
Went to bed after exit poll and first few results. Got up at 04:30 and watched until majority achieved. Smile on my face at all the Remainers who were judged and found wanting. Deeply thankful that Labour has done so badly... will there be "lessons learned" or will it be everybody else's fault?
Now we get to see if the "new" Conservative Party can be trusted any more than the old one, to deliver something approaching a real Brexit. Personally, I have my doubts.
Oh and don't blame Nigel for the Pontefract result: he offered Boris a pact and Boris/Cummings declined. So it's their fault.
Interesting to note the lack of grace in Raedwald's comment regarding Nigel.
Just think back to March/April this year and reflect Radders, you are better than this.
Couldn't help but cheer at Swinson's expense. If anything told the Remainers how wrong they were, this did!
January 2020 will be interesting.
Well, I agree with much of your analysis, Raedwald.
So May's reheated deal will pass easily. That is brexit, and it is what you voted for in 2016.
The worst has been avoided, that is, a small majority with the ERG/DUP holding the balance.
Al might even revive his amnesty for illegal immigrants, who knows?
For the moment I will simply savour the rage of the remainiacs and relish them turning on each other like rats in dustbin.
In the short term I think the scottish nazis will be providing the entertainment. The frogs are putting on some excellent street theatre at the moment. And the main event of the Euro falling apart is yet to come. I think we'll need to negotiate a Marshall plan with the Donald for the amount of popcorn we're going to need for that.
And let us not forget (how could we!) the sheer titanic cuntitude of Hugh Grant. I think Boris should send him a bottle of something.
We would never have had the referendum, nor the display of distorted democracy were it not for Farage. You wouldn't be in the fine mood you're in without him keeping the heat at very uncomfortable.
What's of greater relevance to the Scot's has to be SNP's success, with their numbers up from 32 to 48. This time it's not about indy2, it's about leaving the EU. Scotland being the beneficiary of lots of EU funding and jobs.
Both events show voters are far more savvy than our elite would like to believe. Brexit, the party, triumphed at the EU elections, but it was a vehicle set up for that purpose and voters know that. Yet UKIP and Brexit have taken close to 1,000,000 votes.
So my take is both can capitalise on what's most likely a rock solid core vote. And they can swing results. Check the figures for the numbers who voted for the Irish and Scottish parties and yes there's an issue begging resolution.
Got my doubts about the new name - Reform. Doesn't do it for me.
Back to Scotland - scary stuff, however we shall not have to see Ruth Davidson swim buck naked in Loch Lomond, something she undertook to do if the SNP got 50 seats.
Smoking Scot
Yep, voters are sophisticated and they used Nigel as a lever to get their own way. But it was always to achieve what our sophisticated electorate wanted - not what Nigel wanted. Now they've got it they dumped him. That's politics.
And I'm not sure that the SNP's 48 seats can be read as overwhelming pressure for independence. The 3 indy polls carried out since 1st December (panelbase, YouGov, Survation) only gave 44% 49% 47% in favour of independence; clearly the Scots are telling Westminster something, but I'm not sure it's what Nicola says it is.
However, with events in NI, we are closer than we have ever been to the need for a constitutional convention that may lead to a federal UK. Any such proposals would need to gain separate majority support in the two kingdoms, the province and the principality.
ReformCorp™? What financial return will that offer to BrexitCorp™'s backers? Unless he's proposing a democratic political party with actual members, leader elections, branches, devolved and co-operative policy development and that sort of stuff ...
Raedwald reasonably identifies factors in this result, but I think misses the main one.
The Tories picked up seats from Labour in post-industrial areas, but nevertheless the Labour vote there held at around where it was in 2001 when they got a majority.
The Tories got a surge however, and it is clear that they mopped up the BNP-EDL-BF vote in those places.
The silly, shrill, phobic voices from luvviedom against Johnson probably helped them hugely to do this, on the fallacy that My Enemy's Enemy Is My Friend.
When they see the facts as to what Johnson's WA means, and much else that our non-reactionary PM proposes - and he is - it will be interesting to read the comments here.
Comparisons with Trump are silly - Johnson is quite different in many ways.
It will be a relief to hear less of Arlene Foster's ear-grating yap and the ERG whatever.
So this is the fourth vote billed as being about Brexit, all four have been unequivocally in favour of it. I wonder if they will get the message this time...
Douglas Carswell nailed it with his comments about the working class coming to our rescue once again.
Not one to use it much, but Twitter has been a joy. All the lefties wailing, and screaming at us for our stupidity, reminding us how thick we are, just emphasising both the reason things have gone this way, and their own lack of self-awareness.
PS, I feel a cabinet reshuffle coming on, now that they have served their purpose and got him the teeth-grinders' votes.
Maybe not immediately, but before not too long.
They're a pretty mediocre crew, after all.
I see Raedwald would prefer that we still had the Maybot running the show.
As to whether the Johnson government will ever "get Brexit done" is in the lap of the gods, he has won enough of a majority to ignore any internal shenanigans from ERG types and I suspect the urge to "get Brexit done" is now something that one might discuss at an ordinary shooting weekend, rather than something that was desperately required.
Give it a few months and he will be negotiating our re-entry and the date when we will be adopting the Euro.
Yes, r-w, I think that's probably about it.
One thing which will help a reconfigured Labour long term is, that this is probably, deservedly, fatal for the LDs.
No pro-European Union or Labour voter will forget, that it was they, who gave us Tory rule under Cameron and in turn the referendum, and who now guarantee exit in some form, by driving a stake through the heart of their very own flagship FTPA.
Your reconfigured murdering Marxist pals need their appointment in Samara Cheese.
Radders--now that accusations of bias are irrelevant may I suggest a lifetime ban on the Cheese. Your other readers have put up with his bullshit long enough. His is the viewpoint of murdering scum and defensive wars cannot be won.
"Everyone is entitled to their opinion" does not apply to the Hitlerian socialist heresy--with only 11 million murders on its hands.
If there is to be a worthwhile future then it is time that the main cult of socialism --with its 150 million murdered--was de-legitimised. Although their policies were stupid--old time leftists like Wilson or Healey were British patriots not commie scum. That today's breed of openly Marxist trash have "kept their vote share at 2001" as Cheese observes--is sickening. And the result of agit-prop that hides the knowledge of their Marxist evil. Financial ruin and 150 million murders.
The dim consciousness of their evil is out there. But time it was brought to sharp focus in all our minds.
A little harsh on Farage perhaps. Yes, he took some votes from the Conservatives but rather more from Labour, and this played out differently in various constituencies.
We shouldn't forget that he stood the Brexit Party candidates down in traditional Conservative constituencies, nor the many previous years he worked at promoting the idea of the Referendum.
His party still didn't break through the two party hegemony but with Labour in disarray perhaps there will still be scope for future by-election success for the Reform Party. It will probably keep Boris on his toes. Other Parties are available so to speak.
DJ - Oh I don't mind all the rest of it, it's just being stuck with Yvette for five more years that grates. I was really, really looking forward to her losing.
Whatever you think of the deal (I don't think a great deal - no pun intended - but there are bigger fish who will soon start frying themselves) Boris can now get through, in probably little over a month it means we will not IN LAW (theirs or ours) be a member.
I've seen it pointed out elsewhere that this will change the whole zeitgeist and I, for one, think that will be significant.
No more "remaining" or "overturning" or "delaying". It would now means formally rejoining with all that entails.
The Scottish nazis will find this out, so let them have their referendum. This isn't Spain after all, nothing to see here. An independent Scotland, economically would make Venezuela look like Switzerland. Best of luck that application wee Jimmie.
As for the arse bandit umpa lumpa. Well, titter ye not!
Just for comparison, Mr. X, Harvard University estimates, that over its centuries, the British Empire caused a billion-and-a-half excess deaths.
Tyranny is just that, whether under the flags of Left, Right, or nation.
Oh, or religion.
I've just added a tweet that may explain the Scots discrepancy - they don't want independence, but didn't want Brexit either, and were voting for, erm, a hung parliament that would scupper Brexit.
Harvard are --like you Cheese --lying leftist shite.
I say again Radders --ban the cunt.
You would not allow a Hitlerian socialist scum --with only 11 million murders (not including war loses) done--on here spewing propaganda. Why do you allow a Marxian cunt who's gang have murdered nigh on ten times that number. He is an agent of an evil which is not just as bad but worse than Hitler.
If we allow his cockrot to be seen as just another point of view we pander to evil. So why stand against a lesser evil and tolerate the larger--just because the larger are better liars.
RAC - go and have some coffee or sleep it off.
Tsk.
Your side won, and yet you're still as angry as ever.
Do you think that it's possible that you have a problem with this?
Boris has only a relatively short window to deliver a Brexit acceptable to 17.4m people.
None of the other parties are written off other than temporarily as a public feeling of betrayal will quickly manifest itself into opportunity to do more kicking and the idea of Reform will become as strong as the original feelings for an in/out referendum were.
Scottish independence is very unlikely - the media position on it hasn't touched even the more basic questions that Sturgeon simply can't answer - currency, trade, borders etc and when that comes to (public) light the whole campaign will fall flat.
@Dave_G
I agree that the practical details of independence for Scotland have just got much harder to implement now that we are leaving the EU (probably why Krankie was so against Brexit).
But if the Scots really want to go we should stand back and let them. But we might have to turn back economic refugees at the new border.
First off, I got it wrong; the combined UKIP/Brexit number is about 660,000, not the million I stated.
https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+election+results+2019&oq=uk+election+results&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j69i60j0l3.31176j0j4&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
And yes, as I pointed out, the Scottish vote had sod all to do with Indy, just a reflection of their referendum - most do not want Brexit.
I shall await the Holyrood election because their record is piss poor and, with luck, the Scottish Tories will get a real leader, rather than the temporary one they have.
Re Farage, I hope he doesn't go away. He proves the old adage that the threat can be greater than the reality.
One thing does bug the hell out of me, how come the huge disparity between the exit poll figures and what emerged? Postal votes is my best guess.
Varadkar seems to see things similarly.
He's generally been correct in his predictions about where things are likely to go to date. And he has chatted to Al.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-general-election-result-leo-varadkar-brexit-trade-deal-a9245351.html
It is my aim and hope to have EVERYBODY incensed by what your scum cult has been getting away with Cheese. Enough to destroy you and cast you to the far fringes as real national SOCIALISTS are.
Immense relief and satisfaction in our host today and clearly a Corbyn-led government would have been an unmitigated disaster for us all had it won last night. The dig at Nigel Farage was rather churlish given his historic role in all of this. I'm not a natural Tory voter but my vote did go to a Tory candidate, who since the referendum has been solidly behind our withdrawal from the European Union. Congratulations Conor Burns MP.
Steve
You appear to believe the Tory party can be trusted over "Europe". It can't. What will the future hold? We now have no say or control possibly for five years. Start praying.
Thanks for all that Ecks, saves me the bother, jpm, its our country now and we will decide what we do and who we do it with.
My thoughts----Nigel Farage deserves all our thanks and hopefully he will get rewarded by a knighthood or a seat in the Lords. He has single-handedly got us out of the socialist superstate of the EU. Tireless work.
Scotland-It's a win-win for England.I'd personally like to keep the Union together but if they do decide to go then they take their debts and welfare payments with them. Their brightest and best will be queuing up to climb over Hadrians Wall.
Oh Jeremy Corbyn-stay away from any ice-picks Jezza old bean, the party will lurch even further to the left and stay un-electable for donkeys years.
Jaded.
maybe instead of being offhand with farage if your lot had stepped away from the real diehard seats even less labour mps would have been elected
lets see if your man delivers a proper brexit or just mays deal with us tied in
everything else seems to be spend like a labour government
Thud, this "we" whom you mention, are you a Tory MP?
Because if not, then you will have no say whatsoever in what arrangements the UK makes with the European Union or with anyone else, and only a limited say even if you were.
Al Johnson will will be free to choose what he thinks is best from whatever might be offered, and enough of his MPs will almost certainly go with him, whether the ERG and DUP like it or not.
If he can get that done, then the four years until the next election is a long time.
“Harvard University estimates, that over its centuries, the British Empire caused a billion-and-a-half excess deaths.“
Would you care to provide a link to this ‘research’ JPM? A google search turned up nothing. It seems highly improbable to me when correlated with estimates of the world population through history e.g. the 1 billion mark wasn’t reached until 1804, 2 billion by 1927 and 3 billion by 1960 by which time the British Empire was at the end of its days. Doubtless you will tell me that that was because the British Empire was killing everyone. Even when considered against the very low intellectual base from which you appear to operate, this is an absurd claim.
I agree with DiscoveredJoys @ 11:20 that the UK leaving the EU makes it much harder for Scotland to leave the UK, which is why Nicola Sturgeon was so keen for us to remain in the EU. The EU had plans itself to make Scotland a separate region.
Not least because since Nicola Sturgeon was a very keen advocate of the UK not leaving the EU without a deal she will likewise be forced to accept any deal that the rUK will be prepared to offer.
BTW, the BBC are shocked (again) by the GE result. It won’t be long before we are told that we didn’t know what we were voting for and that a re-run is necessary.
I worry about the likely deal struck with the Bombay Potato.
All Ireland referendum in 5 years.
Result: 50 years of Civil War.
No need to snipe at Farage. Brexit Party took a lot of Labour votes away from Corbyn.
Watch out for radical constitutional reformation: Federation/Quasi-federation/Re-jigged UK - call it what you want, with possibly a written constitution(s). I believe this is going to be a great reforming administration as radical but different to Thatcher. They do seem to be the first to understand the crucial importance of science, engineering and technology to the success of Uk plc.
General Election result in 2017:
Yvette Cooper Lab 29,268
Andrew Lee Con 14,769
The PERFECT place for the Conservative Party to eschew their hubris and arrogance and take a step back. Luckily Farage did his bit, Boris not so much. Imagine the win had the Conservatives been sensible...but that wasn't the plan (as we have always known). Farage needed to be defeated as much as Corbyn for the Boris plan to work.
Andrew O'Neill with Nigel after the election. "Brexit Party 'killed Lib Dems and hurt Labour' - Farage
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50766123
I think the LD killed themselves. SW where they have made inroads over the years before was the wrong place to say Bollocks to Brexit!
It seems that I was correct:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7791169/Whos-whos-Boris-Johnsons-cabinet-reshuffle.html
JPM said...
The Tories got a surge however, and it is clear that they mopped up the BNP-EDL-BF vote in those places.
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Other than your say so, JPM, maybe some citations for this claptrap?
Well, let's try a bit of logic for beginners, shall we?
The BNP used to poll about six percent.
The brexit party got two percent. Even if they were all ex-BNP votes, then where do you think that the other four percent went? To Labour? Greens? LDs?
Yeah!
Don’t expect an answer to that one Mr Beserk. When confronted by evidence, proper academic research findings or requests for the same JPM is nowhere to be seen. He is here to to get under our respective skins, not to engage in any kind of informed debate. I’m minded to ignore him in future.
Ha! You got one - but again, unsupported by reference to any supporting evidence.
No, he's a fool as it is clear and proven that most of the BNP were labour either before or after. The election has flummoxed him so he's on pure troll mode.
It goes like this:
Well, let's try a bit of logic for beginners, shall we?
The BNP used to poll about six percent"
The Lib Dems in Wales got 6% so Welsh LD are Ex BNP.
Fact check on JPM - “The BNP used to poll about six percent...”
The reality? The highest share of the vote achieved by the BNP in a General Election was, wait for it.... 1.9% in 2010. In 2005 it was 0.7%. Prior to that and since it was 0.1 or 0.2%.
Source is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party_election_results#
Wrong again JPM!
You should look at the constituencies where the Tories edged Labour, not the whole nation.
Anyway, what do you think of the reshuffle?
JRM likely to go, says the DM.
I wonder when he's having Greta to No. 10?
Alexander Johnson, in a 1995 article for the Spectator: "The modern British male is useless. If he is blue collar, he is likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment."
I see what you did there JPM...
I’m not minded to take instructions from you as to what I should look at.
The BNP are, and have been, an electoral irrelevance for a long time now.
Span Ows is quite right about BNP voters primarily being drawn from Labour - as evidenced by some YouGov research back in 2009 which marked the BNP’s ‘high tide’:
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/domestic_politics/who+voted+bnp+and+why/3200557.html
It also explains why.
Span Ows is quite right about BNP voters primarily being drawn from Labour - as evidenced by some YouGov research back in 2009 which marked the BNP’s ‘high tide’
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I wouldn't dispute that, quite a few would have been those who otherwise didn't vote at all, they then drifted to ukip etc.
My point is, that from wherever they came, Johnson was effective at getting their votes, even though he does not hold their views at all, it appears.
Rather, it seems that they saw him, probably mistakenly, as a nemesis to those whom they hate amongst the British.
“My point is, that from wherever they came, Johnson was effective at getting their votes, even though he does not hold their views at all, it appears.”
And your problem with that is what?
“Rather, it seems that they saw him, probably mistakenly, as a nemesis to those whom they hate amongst the British.”
Who among the British is it that you feel ‘they’ hate? Be specific and provide evidence for it.
Springtime for Boris and B...N...P... da da da da.....
Winter for troll-land and Fraaance......
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