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Tuesday 12 May 2020

Legal jackals, vultures and carrion eaters gather ...

Pity the employer trying to get their staff back to work, particularly in London and in densely populated urban areas. Lawyers are gathering like vultures on a branch anticipating litigating Employment Rights actions. As a silk from Cloisters Chambers advises already -
By s.44(1)(d) and s.100(1)(d) ERA, employees have the right not to be subjected to any detriment by any act, or any deliberate failure to act by their employer and the right not to be dismissed on the ground that "in circumstances of danger which the employee reasonably believed to be serious and imminent and which he could not reasonably have been expected to avert, he left (or proposed to leave) or (while the danger persisted) refused to return to his place of work or any dangerous part of his place of work". Similarly, s.44(1)(e) and s.100(1)(e) provide some protection for employees where, "in circumstances of danger which the employee reasonably believed to be serious and imminent, he took (or proposed to take) appropriate steps to protect himself or other persons from the danger."
Even asking staff to travel to work could raise in their hearts a "reasonable belief" that they would be exposed to "serious and imminent danger" - which would allow them to stay at home, and make unlawful their dismissal for not coming in. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Matthew Lynn continues the theme in the Telegraph this morning
There is a problem, however, and one that is going to become increasingly urgent as we lift lockdown. We have created a lawyer-dominated health and safety obsessed culture that may turn into our biggest enemy as we recover from Covid-19. Just think about some of the problems.

What if a restaurant hasn’t put the tables far enough apart to stop the disease spreading? Are they going to get a writ from anyone who gets ill? What if staff desks are not arranged the right way to protect people from infectious sneezes? Will the employer get hauled before a tribunal? What about those masks you finally managed to order, with great difficulty, and at huge expense? Do they really work, and are you liable if not? What if you ship a product to a customer, and then it turns out it contained traces of the virus? Is that your liability? The list could go on and on.
In fact the very last person I'd want to be right now is a City of London financial services provider with an office and trading terminals and staff. Staff who can't drive because there's nowhere to park, can't walk because they all live more than four miles away and can't even cycle because there's nowhere to put all the bloody bikes and a hot summer with a floor full of beefy traders sweating cobs in their lycra would probably also constitute some sort of H&S infringement. With only six people allowed in each tube carriage it would likely be 11.30 before they struggle in by public transport, anxious at having been breathed on by a Big Issue vendor.

Well there's a short term and a long term solution. The short term solution may be something like the one Matthew suggests in his Telegraph piece
We could fix that. Here’s how. First, we could ring-fence liability. If a worker or customer is diagnosed with Covid-19, a company should not be held liable for that unless it has been completely reckless (and even then, liability should be capped at £10,000 or 1pc of turnover, whichever is the lower).

Next, how about we ban no-win no-fee lawyers from trying to drum up business by exploiting Covid-19 cases. Law firms shouldn’t be allowed to tout for coronavirus business, and they certainly shouldn’t be allowed to start organising (potentially lucrative) class actions.
However, getting such legislation through Parliament will be painful, and you can be sure that Starmer will use every lawyerly and slithering trick to obstruct and sabotage it. He'll be in his element as a human rights lawyer.

The long term solution is to stop employing people, or stop employing so many of them anyway in dense city-centre urban environments. The third tier of AI may come a decade early, and PwC are already predicting high rates of replacement of financial services jobs such as asset managers, as AI will allow not only replacement of existing jobs but will, for example, "have made it possible to develop customised investment solutions for mass market consumers in ways that would, until recently, only have been available to high net worth (HNW) clients." says PwC. And presuming that anyone has anything left to invest at all after this, or that there is anything left worth investing in.

And then there are all those offices in the City and Isle of Dogs. I wouldn't like to own the freehold on a Canary Wharf tower right now; the longer term solution may involve mass redundancies and human flight from our packed cities, as workers become more aware of the risks of biohazards. The SARS-CoV-2 virule may be a relatively harmless little bugger, but the entire world is now rethinking bio risk in a packed and mobile world.

Muzzling the lawyers won't work. It will just be a short-term fix. And the internet and AI will play an unprecedented role in a quantum change in the way we live and work. This is going to be fascinating. 

20 comments:

DeeDee99 said...

The 'elf n safety, risk averse, culture has been created by Government and the Quangocracy over decades. The Human Rights Act was created by Blair and his Human Rights Lawyer wife.

Boris and the Carry On Team deliberately ramped up fear of Wuhan Flu, when the Government had already downgraded Wuhan Flu from a High Consequence Infectious Disease because of low mortality rates, in order to gain compliance with the draconian lockdown.

Those working in the private sector are slowly waking up to the fact that millions of jobs are now at risk. I doubt if too many will want to risk losing them by refusing to return to work if they can possibly get there.

But the Public Sector Trades Unions are going to make life as difficult as possible for a Government they hate and they'll milk the shambles for every penny they can. And I'm sorry Raedwald, but it's the Government's actions which have encouraged it.

Walter said...

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Walter said...

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Dave_G said...


I sincerely hope all that you suggest DOES come about - nothing quite like hoisting the Government by their own petard....

LOL

Anonymous said...

If, as we are led to believe. the virus is everywhere, I don't see how an employer can be held responsible in specific places.

Risks from everday living are 'acts of God', not inaction by Boris.

Sobers said...

I mentioned this some time ago as being what would prevent the economy having any chance of bouncing back. If the government don't act sharpish to stamp on these cockroach lawyers, they will destroy us all. A quick Bill removing liability for covid-19 from employers must be passed immediately, otherwise we are completely screwed.

John Brown said...

I have some questions on the Coronavirus pandemic :

Are state employees, civil servants, council employees, teachers etc. who are not working on full pay or are they are also furloughed ?

I have seen UK government statistics for deaths by ethnicity and by age (above and below 65) but where can I find them by employment type/job and by each decade of age ?

Have any school staff died whilst teaching the children of essential/key workers ? Have any of these children died?

Anonymous said...

Employers in Australia, New Zealand, China, Greece, Norway, Eastern Europe, Taiwan, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, and many other places are not having these problems.

Nor will they be soon in France which has reduced deaths to a few tens per day now, as are other southern European countries doing.

The Continent is aghast at this murderously complacent shower of dog muck, which passes for government here.

Graeme said...

Strange...the official French figures show that, over the last 7 days, the daily deaths are at an average of 206 per day, rather more than "a few tens per day" might lead you to think

Dave_G said...


The Government passed a bill to indemnify doctors against mistreatment during the CV crisis so there's no reasonable reason they can't indemnify businesses.

Dave_G said...


Government diktat about cycling to work only seems acceptable during this unprecedented period of dry weather. I can only image all the 'problems' that commuters would invent if this was happening mid winter....

John Brown said...

If the government are unable or unwilling to protect private businesses from anti-capitalist communists/greens/remainers looking to destroy the economy in order to bring down the government or from get-rich-quick lawyers or the workshy who believe in universal basic income then we may find that private businesses can only survive by either splitting up into self-employed individuals or by forming large employee share-owning partnerships.

A change of employment practices which in some ways is similar to how the medieval plagues ended feudalism.

Anonymous said...

Snake Oil Update:

Coronavirus: UK drug trial for over-50s recruiting

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52622804

Recommended for Boris by a medical chap out of the US Embassy in London - saved his life it did.

Steve

Span Ows said...

Steve 15:26..surely not! there must be some mistake. [sarc off]

Anon 10:52,

"Employers in Australia, New Zealand, China, Greece, Norway, Eastern Europe, Taiwan, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, and many other places are not having these problems."

What problems? Be more specific. Also China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Singapore and South Korea are very used to epidemics and this sort of outbreak and for many decades it is normal to have worn masks. Australia and New Zealand are isolated and not hubs. Greece had a harsh 'Fascistesque' shut-down which if had happened in the UK you and your ilk would be screeching and whining continuously. Eastern Europe closed their borders long before COVID-19. Norway is fucking empty but - interestingly - Norwegian hospitals have had hardly any issues with antibiotic resistant bacteria over the years than most other countries so maybe immunity to start with is less compromised.

" Nor will they be soon in France which has reduced deaths to a few tens per day now, as are other southern European countries doing."

LOL. And don't forget they're a week or two "ahead".

Oldrightie said...

So many experts I am astounded this virus ever got any attention, since the answers are to be found everywhere. Me, I loved how brexit was won in 2016, horrified at the nastiness until December 2019, so am happy we have the Government we have. Warts and all they won a remarkable victory. One the media and punditry to a man and woman never saw coming.

Give the Government a break, FFS. Keep the spite in check unless you are 100% certain YOU could do far better. If you want people to go after, go for Mandarin crowd who have had their usual knives out for years.

Anonymous said...

Oldrightie said @ 18:09

'Give the Government a break, FFS. Keep the spite in check unless you are 100% certain YOU could do far better. If you want people to go after, go for Mandarin crowd who have had their usual knives out for years.'

Spot on OR. Everybody is Kung Flu Fighting..

Steve

Billy Marlene said...

The New Normal Reset seems to be coming along nicely, Mr Gates.

Anonymous said...

Why the concern about lawyering? That's the end point for the fantastic US-UK trade deal. Best to grow a backbone and prepare now.

Greg T said...

RIGHT
ALL OF YOU read what I've written below, demonstrating that you are all talking out of your posteriors ...

In fact the very last person I'd want to be right now is a City of London financial services provider with an office and trading terminals and staff.
Well ... bollocks to that for "accuracy" or the lack of it.
"The Boss" works for a large accountancy ( & Tax & financial services ) LLP, with a mian office from which you can see St Pauls' at the end of the street.
EVERYBODY is working from home, using the wonders of the interweb & are not expecting to rey=turn to "the office" until at least June & then probably only 2 days a week, to stagger spaces out ...

Do try harder.
John Brown
Do please GROW UP
And the Finnish small experiment has proven both you & the revolting IDS wrong.
UBI seems to work - you believe people have to be driven to work with a stick & that carrotts are unnecessary.
You're an idiot.

Anonymous said...

Why don't you get employees to contribute a small monthly fee into a fund that pays for their PPE?

When the fund reaches 50 quid, say, they'd get a number for a job-lot of kit that Boris' factories will produce. Might help with Rishi's cash flow.