• AEP is correct in labelling Macron a nationalist - and his adoption of the Cross of Lorraine confirms it. However, Boris is not. I've no doubt he is patriotic, but nationalistic, no. Boris is a sophisticated Internationalist - committed to Britain and her place in the world.I can see the point that AEP is striving for. Let me help him. No, Boris is not a Trump facsimile. But it is because he is a European that he and Macron can understand eachother. There. I've said it. Let me repeat it; I'm also European, and proud of it. Europe is a continent of 740m peoples, only 460m of whom live in nations under the heel of the EU.
• Because Boris is an Internationalist, he is in complete opposition to Macron's Globalist agenda. But he's a pragmatist, and will sup with the global corporates if it suits him. Macron however is committed to what Supranational authority, global government and global corporatism can deliver to a France hungry for power
• Boris is at heart a small-State social liberal. Macron is at core a Big-Government central Statist and deeply socially conservative.
• Yes, they both have elitist backgrounds - Boris at Eton, Macron the énarque - but Boris has the common touch and genuinely little 'side' to him whilst Macron has donned the gilded mantle of French State pomposity with the hauteur of a little Emperor.
Thursday, 1 August 2019
AEP skiing off-piste
I normally devour anything that AEP delivers through the pages of the Telegraph, but this morning's column, departing as it does from his safe territory of finance and economics, has him skiing off-piste. He tries to construct a close match between France's Macron and Boris - that Boris is closer to the little Emperor than he is to the Donald - but it doesn't really hold. Here's why.
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I reckon that they are very similar Raedwald.
Both are in love with globalism, greenery and all the other sicknesses of the 21st century.
And just as snidely, appear to be something different in order to hoodwink the voters.
Johnson had me hoodwinked for just short of a week, which is pretty good, whereas I thought the Maybot was always useless.
Why is it that the CONservative party thinks that the European Union, is somehow a different thing from that evil combination of the "Customs union (zollverein) and the "Single Market"?
Those two concepts were the basis of the two most important European Union treaties... its very definition. Yet "Boris" lets drop that they will still be part of our law for two years after leaving the EU....
.... THIS IS NOT LEAVING BORIS, YOU CREEP!
r-w.
A rose is easily planted among others. Their roots quickly reach deep and wide, and intertwine intricately.
Al has perhaps grasped this, and if so, then he realises that making a narrow cut around it, through all those roots, and brutally hauling it out would either kill it or set it back drastically.
To recognise that fact is not a betrayal of any kind.
As for the rest, he's an American, with a Turkish connection anyway.
Those who bet against the country losing their shirts? You'd better ask Rees-Mogg's hedge fund, Al. (Leader of the House, Lord President of the Council).
Actually Cheerful, if you plant a rose in ground where other roses already live, you are very likely to kill it.
We spent 800 years developing Magna Carta into a democratic system and constitution that did not only work for us, but for most of the countries that we have imported it to over the years. It establishes limits as to what government can do to its citizens.
Your napoleonic code or its other European clones have always led to civil disorder, ours rarely did. It satisfied rich and poor. Secondly, it requires a much bigger administration to keep it tuned, each new invention or practise requires a whole new set of laws in order to enable people to remain within the code.
Our system used to work in the opposite way, which is conducive to small government.
I actually do not care where a fellow comes from, as long as he adapts to our ways, or at least keeps his ways to hisself.
Macron cannot be both a Globalist and a Nationalist these two things are diametrically opposed.
Macron is a shorter frencher Blair. An smooth smart-talking actor, looks good in a suit and can act without a tie too. Same quiet beginning almost from nowhere, same 'grooming' and same thrust into limelight with fanfare for a quick impressive win. Macron was found out far more quickly than Blair because he didn't have the BBC and most of the MSM enthralled to give him a 3 or 4 year honeymoon, that time was enough to get the rot deep set in in the UK. Taking JPM's similie, the roots of this rose are cancerous and are still suffocating much of the charit/common purpose, civil service, security, judicary etc. Cancers kill or need strong invasive treatment.
Such matters will (potentially) drop into insignificance if other Global issues start to evolve on the path they appear to be headed.
China is accusing US of interference in Hong Kong and massing troops on the HK border - Israel is attacking Iranian bases in Iraq (air strikes) and retaliation is but a short time away - the Epstein case may take down a significant proportion of America's elite (and British too come to that) and now I read that the NY Fire Dept have issed a demand for a full investigation into 9/11 as they have irrefutable evidence the buildings were taken down with explosives.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-31/ny-fire-commissioners-call-new-911-investigation-citing-overwhelming-evidence-pre
As much as it's easy to retort with tin foil hats and conspiracy claims we cannot ignore the seniority of the claims nor the implications should any of the facts be proven. And as for Epstein........
The British establsihment and alphabet agencied are implied in the case of evicting Trump from his Presidency too. All quite 'fun' if you have that type of mindset....
The race to conflict seems 'on' and a useful deflection from what otherwise may (seems likely to) be exposed.
"Macron cannot be both a Globalist and a Nationalist these two things are diametrically opposed."
You'd think so, wouldn't you? Sadly, the real world is never so simple. As AEP correctly points out:-
'It has long been Quai d’Orsay orthodoxy that France maximises its leverage and promotes its national power best through the institutional system of the EU, but that does not in itself make French policy less nationalist in purpose.
One of Mr Macron first acts as president was to block a take-over of the French shipyards at St Nazaire by Italy’s Fincantieri. This breached both spirit and law of the EU single market, and he knew it.'
It's not just the EU that France seeks to use in this way but the UN and, above all, the IMF.
One thing's for sure.
This offshore soon-to-be irrelevance has voted to give up its larger-than-most share of sovereignty over twenty-seven nations, including over France, so what anyone here thinks of it, or of its figures, will make the square root of FA difference in future.
r-w, there is no requirement under the Lisbon Treaty for any kind of standardisation of jurisdictions. The UK has managed with more than one for three hundred years. The trouble's only now starting, really.
"One of Mr Macron first acts as president was to block a take-over of the French shipyards at St Nazaire by Italy’s Fincantieri. This breached both spirit and law of the EU single market, and he knew it."
But this is not explicitly Nationalist. A Civic Nationalist acts to privilege his voter base (allegedly) and the government of which he is a part, a Nationalist proper must specifically act to privilege the ethnicity he represents. Given his expressed Globalist sentiments Macrons personal commitment to even civic nationalism is unclear. I would say he is more likely a canny politician operating within the boundaries established to control a traditionally fractious electorate.
@Cheerful
I don't want sovereignty over any current EU state/region or combination thereof. I don't want any EU state/region or combination thereof to have sovereignty over this country.
Is that so difficult to understand or bring about?
But you are content for the US to have bases here, from which it freely bombs countries, which were not even UK enemies at the time, such as Libya, Mark? And without needing any democratic consent? I wonder if France would permit that?
The European Union has never done anything like that, has it?
Let's not bother with the one-sided extradition treaty, shall we?
All international treaties involve a sharing of sovereignty. It is not an absolute quality like virginity, to be coveted by scornful old maids.
@Cheerful
So we are giving up our share of sovereignty over French nuclear weapons then? First I've heard that we had any.
So if we'd stayed in the EU who would control US bases then?
Grateful to AEP for not mentioning my national humiliation column.
Aren't US bases here as a function of NATO and nothing whatsoever to do with 'Europe'?
France also manages to do their own share of 'bombing' to seek/retain their influence - they are no better or worse than the USA except perhaps on scale.
One-sided extradition? You mean like the EAW where they can take you away BEFORE they produce evidence?
Nil from three so far..... what next?
My gears are grinding over the continual whinging by the poor losers (Remainers) who are demanding attention/compensation for the democratic decision to leave the EU.
Where was (is) the compo for the many, many businesses that have to comply with EU red tape but have no other dealings with them since its inception and STILL in place?
Where is the compo for me when my voted-for party in a GE doesn't win and I'm lumbered with policies from the opposition that cause me additional/unnecessary expense?
This has been a referendum (election) whereby the 'winners' are having to appease the losers simply so the 'winners' can get on and implement what they are lawfully and legally entitled to do under the result.
When the fcuking whinging, whining, snowflake fcukwits accept democracy and all that goers with it maybe then we, as a country, can move on?
If 'you' Remainers want endless compo for the inconvenience of losing a vote I can image your response when the reverse happens and you (if you ever do) get the upper hand. Will 'you' be so eager to please the losers then?
Hypocrites (self-seeking and rapacious) - EVERY ONE OF YOU.
What a load of nonsensical non-sequiturs. They don't warrant further waste of time.
However, I'm pleased to see that re the Misconduct In Public Office case, steps are being taken to have it heard on appeal in the Supreme Court.
It would be preposterous - though not atypical of this country - for holders of high office to have a legally guaranteed right to lie to the nation, as is the present position since Supperstone's ruling.
All the whingeing that I hear is coming from right-wing, doctrinaire puritans, bleating that whatever form of exit from the EU is proposed, it is not sufficiently remote.
Most ordinary people just want this silliness over, and some reasonable arrangements made.
"don't warrant further waste of time"
Let me translate
"Another huge tranche of valid and pertinent points that I could no more answer than Corbyn could get an invite to a bar mitzvah. So I'll cunningly fool them all with my "sophisticated disdain" act which never fails. I had Europe in the back of my cab once"
Why waste your time bandying words with an eu collaborator fecking boring Quisling, time is too precious. I'm starting to question the reasons behind it. Just click out and let the site die.
JPM 14:30 "What a load of nonsensical non-sequiturs. They don't warrant further waste of time."
ROFL...I mean really ROFL: JPM's projection is outstanding.
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