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Wednesday 28 August 2019
... And We're Off!
Parliament is due to be prorogued in about two weeks - to sit again on 14th October.
This is quite a normal process, and usually happens every year. Nonetheless, some folk seem upset for some reason ...
(I've nicked this from Guido's comments ...)
38 comments:
Mark
said...
You know, for the first time I'm actually starting to think that bellend Boris means it!
Heads are already starting to explode (can't help thinking of Kryten - Tabasco sauce - ON LOBSTER!!! Boom!).
Maybe he ain't so dumb after all. Perhaps he's thinking 5-10 years down the line when the EU is in ruins. "If it wasn't for Boris we'd be stuck in the middle of that"
Could be totally wrong of course, having witnessed decades of cynical betrayal. He could be playing some double, triple bluff on us but if he is and manages to betray us. Well I think the tories electoral future will be somewhere behind the druids.
Perhaps, just perhaps, the people who dish out scholarships to Eton and Oxford might actually pick very clever children. Now being a very clever child, or 17/18 year old in the case of Oxford, does not mean you are guaranteed to be a very clever adult throughout life, but lets just say that if I was a betting man that would where my money was...............
I stick to my view that Mr Johnson wants to be remembered favourably in the histor books and he's rightly calculated that being the Prime Minister who took us out of the EU will give him that reward.
God often times uses very flawed men to do his bidding.
That the rats in the HoP are livid, is just icing on the cake. It's a pity that none of them will be charged with treason, prosecuted, found guilty and hanged.
How many tins has Cheerful stocked up with? It would have been a fun exercise to examine the pantries and larders in all those Remoaner homes. To see if they were really worried about the avocado soup shortages.
It's all gone hysterical ala ecomentalism breakdown fugue, ooh listen to the scweaming, ain't it a joy to behold. 3 years they've defied the will and mandate of the people and given a platform to remoan on the deadstream meejah - we held our counsel but lo, the end of the beginning is finally nigh and rejoice for that.
I can't help but smile squeaker berkov or summat shouting about 'outrage to democracy' and all which coincidently is exactly what he was planning to do, ie to mock democracy through usurpation of the executive through parliamentary instrument, clearly the fellah - isn't wired in the head right old squeaker boy: he has also had an irony bypass.
Your time has passed squeaker now get thee gone, and take the ratting rabble - spawn of satan with you.
Certain people thought that they could subvert the democratic processes because 'their cause was just' (although rarely explained). Certain people have now found out that 'the other side' (the so-called gammons, racists, bigots, the uneducated) are also driven by their own just cause.
All the talking heads and projectionists think that the stunningly neutral poison dwarf will play a pivotal role in what happens next. Would that Beelzebub call him home.
Boris agrees a reworked Surrender Agreement on 17 October. He presents it to Parliament for a meaningful a few days later with a choice:
Accept the Surrender Treaty, with the backstop reworked or No Deal on 31 October.
And all the time there is the possible threat of a CON/Brexit Party deal to ensure that Boris wins a General Election, to ensure that the treacherous cowards in Parliament vote at the 4th time of asking for the Surrender Treaty and we get BRINO, still shackled to the EU for the foreseeable future.
The CONs are doing what they've always done over the EEC/EU: betraying the British people.
You might not like it, but it does honour the result, albeit of one of the most debased and misleading votes ever held in this country.
If you want to distance the country further from the European Union in future, then join a party with that aim and make it part of a General Election manifesto.
That's the proper way to do things under the UK Constitution.
What is the difference between gleefully participating in the most wondrous social, political and economic construct ever conceived by the human mind and "one of the most debased and misleading votes ever held in this country"?
About 4% it would seem.
I thought we didn't have a constitution? (although I think those of us on this blog do having to read your insane rantings!)
DD-BoJo might want the WA sell out--but he wont get that and any agreement with TBP--which causes the Tories BIG probs for any GE. His best move is a No Deal exit. That way the next 5 years is handed to him--TBP wants a No deal --if they get it they won't cause GE trouble.
Cheesy or WTF you call yourself now--Salvini has been sold out by the 5-star creep refusing to do what the party was voted in for and doing a sell out deal with the EU controlled mainstream Italian trash. Obv slime like you approves--but don't kid your tiny brain that this is "the Italian people" seeing your twisted Marxist evil version of "sense".
Thus African rapists, murderers and cannibals will be flooding in again--after Salvini had given Italian people hope that the influx could be stopped. Salvini will be back as PM this time.
"Parliament is due to be prorogued in about two weeks"
There is another perspective.
Squeaker Bercow, told former PM May, that she could not present essentially the same legislation to Parliament, that Parliament had already rejected. Of course, he then permitted her to do so.
Once Parliament has been reconvened, that restraint will have been removed from a Johnson administration.
The UK does not have what would meet a reasonable modern definition of a constitution.
However, it has, what it calls its "Constitution" - just as Trump has what he calls his "marriage", perhaps.
All that it says is that "Parliament alone is the law"
So the MEPs would appear to be right. The UK would be in breach of the terms of its European Union membership, and so it could deem that sixty-seven million people had been deprived of their citizenship unlawfully.
That would leave it with interesting responsibilities towards these people, wouldn't it?
The UK does have a Constitution but it doesn't meet your 'reasonable modern definition' because it has evolved over a long time without being brought together in a single place. So that's a Straw Man argument from you.
Anything following the establishment of a Straw Man axiom can be dismissed as poor rhetoric rather than reasoned facts or opinion. Consider your argument dismissed.
An opinion poll in the daily Corriere della Sera on Wednesday showed that Salvini’s approval rating had plunged by fifteen points since he pulled the plug on the government, and that he is now sixteen points behind Conte’s.
As I said, the Italians are seeing sense now that the mask has slipped.
A constitution consists of "everything that makes you what you are".
Not some dusty old code that is the plaything of a bunch of criminals and dictators. Something that was knocked up in some smoke filled room by the same people, no doubt for their own advancement.
We British know more about constitutions than cheery knows about bollocks, and in that, he is fluent.
But the simple facts are, that what seems to be a majority of MEPs absolutely are taking that view, and it looks like it will be upheld.
Your opinion doesn't change anything at all, on that or on any other matter of fact.
Does it?
So what would be the position then, if the UK as a state has left the European Union, and yet the the latter's institutions deem the UK people to have been deprived of their citizenship unlawfully?
Anon lovie, I'd really like to stay here and debate the quality of the Italian press, but the wisteria will take me most of the day to prune, and then I have those monkfish tails to marinate, you know?
Yesterday showed yet another example of hypocrisy from remainers and their media wings, the BBC, Sky, C4, The Guardian etc..
They have spent the summer holidays openly discussing and thinking up plans and salivating upon how they could use Parliamentary trickery in connivance with the Speaker in order to effect a coup and subvert the democratic decision made by the country in 2016 to leave the EU and now they are in apparent meltdown because BJ has used a perfectly normal Parliamentary procedure to make a Queen’s Speech.
Oh Cheesy--what a pathetic fool you are to think that we are as dumb as you. Lying leftist Itie polls say Salvini is now on the outs--Oh Noes!!!. And Killery is still 93% certain to win the 2016 US Elections.
The purpose of the Queen’s Speech is to enable BJ to bring back the WA treaty for a fourth time with little if any changes. The proroguing of Parliament is just a diversionary tactic to make Leavers believe BJ is on their side.
This plan was exposed today when Ruth Davidson, a hardened remainer, told all remainers to vote for the WA treaty when it next came to Parliament.
She has realised that they would lose a second referendum and the WA treaty is even better for them than EU membership as it would lock us into the EU’s institutions with no representation or veto and with no lawful means of exit equivalent to Article 50.
The WA treaty is so bad a deal for the UK that we may even see leavers voting with some remainers to revoke Article 50!
If our current Parliament either signs a bad WA, or revokes Article 50, after being given the instructions to leave by the largest mandate in our history, it will be considered by the electorate to be responsible for the ensuing political and social turmoil as we become more and more unhappy with our loss of sovereignty and freedom while bound by iniquitous decisions made by the EU over which we have no say and no exit mechanism.
38 comments:
You know, for the first time I'm actually starting to think that bellend Boris means it!
Heads are already starting to explode (can't help thinking of Kryten - Tabasco sauce - ON LOBSTER!!! Boom!).
Maybe he ain't so dumb after all. Perhaps he's thinking 5-10 years down the line when the EU is in ruins. "If it wasn't for Boris we'd be stuck in the middle of that"
Could be totally wrong of course, having witnessed decades of cynical betrayal. He could be playing some double, triple bluff on us but if he is and manages to betray us. Well I think the tories electoral future will be somewhere behind the druids.
"Maybe he ain't so dumb after all."
Perhaps, just perhaps, the people who dish out scholarships to Eton and Oxford might actually pick very clever children. Now being a very clever child, or 17/18 year old in the case of Oxford, does not mean you are guaranteed to be a very clever adult throughout life, but lets just say that if I was a betting man that would where my money was...............
The BBC reporters today were going berserk. Anything that makes lefties scream and sulk is good enough for me
Jaded
@Anon
Must get some popcorn in. Maybe there will be one shortage that can definitely be blamed on Brexit!
I stick to my view that Mr Johnson wants to be remembered favourably in the histor books and he's rightly calculated that being the Prime Minister who took us out of the EU will give him that reward.
God often times uses very flawed men to do his bidding.
That the rats in the HoP are livid, is just icing on the cake. It's a pity that none of them will be charged with treason, prosecuted, found guilty and hanged.
Haha! The Moments Of Truth for the Leave liars are not far away now.
Are they?
We on the other hand, have good memories!
@Cheerful
You have selective memories which is not quite the same thing.
How many tins has Cheerful stocked up with?
It would have been a fun exercise to examine the pantries and larders in all those Remoaner homes. To see if they were really worried about the avocado soup shortages.
It's all gone hysterical ala ecomentalism breakdown fugue, ooh listen to the scweaming, ain't it a joy to behold. 3 years they've defied the will and mandate of the people and given a platform to remoan on the deadstream meejah - we held our counsel but lo, the end of the beginning is finally nigh and rejoice for that.
I can't help but smile squeaker berkov or summat shouting about 'outrage to democracy' and all which coincidently is exactly what he was planning to do, ie to mock democracy through usurpation of the executive through parliamentary instrument, clearly the fellah - isn't wired in the head right old squeaker boy: he has also had an irony bypass.
Your time has passed squeaker now get thee gone, and take the ratting rabble - spawn of satan with you.
Certain people thought that they could subvert the democratic processes because 'their cause was just' (although rarely explained). Certain people have now found out that 'the other side' (the so-called gammons, racists, bigots, the uneducated) are also driven by their own just cause.
Delicious irony.
Asking (for prorogument) isn't the same as being granted - the Queen 'sould' refuse......
As much as I'm heartened by the idea and motions put forward I remain sceptical until I see the whites of their eyes.
could, not sould.... sorry (excited!)
Dave_G, I think she had her signed copy ready before they even came in, she said "You lot took your bloody time", honest.
A point lost on Cheesy is the economic bad news across the EU when NONE of those mugs are leaving the EU.
Wank on Cheese.
All the talking heads and projectionists think that the stunningly neutral poison dwarf will play a pivotal role in what happens next.
Would that Beelzebub call him home.
Proroguing is a pre-cursor to standing Parliament down for when the IMF runs the country.
Can you let me have one of your special roll ups Boris ?
RAC, no roll-ups, he's on intravenous.
While this country loses its senses, the Italians regain theirs, it appears.
Five Star and the centre-left have formed a coalition, elbowing aside Salvini's mob. Conte stays on as PM.
Salvini''s squealing about "betraying the will of the people" - nothing if not predictable.
Have these dreary box-tickers a single original idea between them all?
Now the trap is being sprung:
Boris agrees a reworked Surrender Agreement on 17 October. He presents it to Parliament for a meaningful a few days later with a choice:
Accept the Surrender Treaty, with the backstop reworked
or
No Deal on 31 October.
And all the time there is the possible threat of a CON/Brexit Party deal to ensure that Boris wins a General Election, to ensure that the treacherous cowards in Parliament vote at the 4th time of asking for the Surrender Treaty and we get BRINO, still shackled to the EU for the foreseeable future.
The CONs are doing what they've always done over the EEC/EU: betraying the British people.
Sounds plausible enough, DeeDee.
You might not like it, but it does honour the result, albeit of one of the most debased and misleading votes ever held in this country.
If you want to distance the country further from the European Union in future, then join a party with that aim and make it part of a General Election manifesto.
That's the proper way to do things under the UK Constitution.
@Cheerful
What is the difference between gleefully participating in the most wondrous social, political and economic construct ever conceived by the human mind and "one of the most debased and misleading votes ever held in this country"?
About 4% it would seem.
I thought we didn't have a constitution? (although I think those of us on this blog do having to read your insane rantings!)
JPM 21:23
LOL.."the Italians regain theirs, it appears.
You are such a tease. Now you like UKIP I suppose? You do know about M5S or are you just trolling?
DD-BoJo might want the WA sell out--but he wont get that and any agreement with TBP--which causes the Tories BIG probs for any GE. His best move is a No Deal exit. That way the next 5 years is handed to him--TBP wants a No deal --if they get it they won't cause GE trouble.
Cheesy or WTF you call yourself now--Salvini has been sold out by the 5-star creep refusing to do what the party was voted in for and doing a sell out deal with the EU controlled mainstream Italian trash. Obv slime like you approves--but don't kid your tiny brain that this is "the Italian people" seeing your twisted Marxist evil version of "sense".
Thus African rapists, murderers and cannibals will be flooding in again--after Salvini had given Italian people hope that the influx could be stopped. Salvini will be back as PM this time.
DeeDee - I fear you're right, but I pray you're wrong.
"Parliament is due to be prorogued in about two weeks"
There is another perspective.
Squeaker Bercow, told former PM May, that she could not present essentially the same legislation to Parliament, that Parliament had already rejected. Of course, he then permitted her to do so.
Once Parliament has been reconvened, that restraint will have been removed from a Johnson administration.
The UK does not have what would meet a reasonable modern definition of a constitution.
However, it has, what it calls its "Constitution" - just as Trump has what he calls his "marriage", perhaps.
All that it says is that "Parliament alone is the law"
So the MEPs would appear to be right. The UK would be in breach of the terms of its European Union membership, and so it could deem that sixty-seven million people had been deprived of their citizenship unlawfully.
That would leave it with interesting responsibilities towards these people, wouldn't it?
@ JPM
More desperate stuff, trolling for a response...
The UK does have a Constitution but it doesn't meet your 'reasonable modern definition' because it has evolved over a long time without being brought together in a single place. So that's a Straw Man argument from you.
Anything following the establishment of a Straw Man axiom can be dismissed as poor rhetoric rather than reasoned facts or opinion. Consider your argument dismissed.
Not so fast Ecky, eh?
An opinion poll in the daily Corriere della Sera on Wednesday showed that Salvini’s approval rating had plunged by fifteen points since he pulled the plug on the government, and that he is now sixteen points behind Conte’s.
As I said, the Italians are seeing sense now that the mask has slipped.
A constitution consists of "everything that makes you what you are".
Not some dusty old code that is the plaything of a bunch of criminals and dictators. Something that was knocked up in some smoke filled room by the same people, no doubt for their own advancement.
We British know more about constitutions than cheery knows about bollocks, and in that, he is fluent.
DJ.
But the simple facts are, that what seems to be a majority of MEPs absolutely are taking that view, and it looks like it will be upheld.
Your opinion doesn't change anything at all, on that or on any other matter of fact.
Does it?
So what would be the position then, if the UK as a state has left the European Union, and yet the the latter's institutions deem the UK people to have been deprived of their citizenship unlawfully?
That gets really interesting, I think
"An opinion poll in the daily Corriere della Sera"
right, the Italian 'gruan'.
pretentious pricks and ambiguous specious, useless factoids
@Cheerful
If the EU is happy to allow millions of primitives in, what would be its problem with a few million brits?
I assume you mean EU " citizenship". Are you STILL trying to flog that dead horse!?
Anon lovie, I'd really like to stay here and debate the quality of the Italian press, but the wisteria will take me most of the day to prune, and then I have those monkfish tails to marinate, you know?
Ciao.
Love y'all.
@Cheergul
Well I must say you're fleeing more gracefully than you usually do. Your inner Italian must be really coming out!
Yesterday showed yet another example of hypocrisy from remainers and their media wings, the BBC, Sky, C4, The Guardian etc..
They have spent the summer holidays openly discussing and thinking up plans and salivating upon how they could use Parliamentary trickery in connivance with the Speaker in order to effect a coup and subvert the democratic decision made by the country in 2016 to leave the EU and now they are in apparent meltdown because BJ has used a perfectly normal Parliamentary procedure to make a Queen’s Speech.
Oh Cheesy--what a pathetic fool you are to think that we are as dumb as you. Lying leftist Itie polls say Salvini is now on the outs--Oh Noes!!!. And Killery is still 93% certain to win the 2016 US Elections.
DeeDee99 28/08 @ 21:31 :
I agree with DeeDee99.
The purpose of the Queen’s Speech is to enable BJ to bring back the WA treaty for a fourth time with little if any changes. The proroguing of Parliament is just a diversionary tactic to make Leavers believe BJ is on their side.
This plan was exposed today when Ruth Davidson, a hardened remainer, told all remainers to vote for the WA treaty when it next came to Parliament.
She has realised that they would lose a second referendum and the WA treaty is even better for them than EU membership as it would lock us into the EU’s institutions with no representation or veto and with no lawful means of exit equivalent to Article 50.
The WA treaty is so bad a deal for the UK that we may even see leavers voting with some remainers to revoke Article 50!
If our current Parliament either signs a bad WA, or revokes Article 50, after being given the instructions to leave by the largest mandate in our history, it will be considered by the electorate to be responsible for the ensuing political and social turmoil as we become more and more unhappy with our loss of sovereignty and freedom while bound by iniquitous decisions made by the EU over which we have no say and no exit mechanism.
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