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Monday, 28 October 2019

Nemesis of the haute-remainers - John Gray

Today is yet another crunch day for Brexit. So many crunch days for Brexit have come and gone that I am not getting excited; either the Commons agrees an election and the EU deigns to allow an extension, or something else happens. 

It's always good to take the chance to step back and look at the bigger picture. The Telegraph is absolutely right today in drawing attention to an essay in New Statesman America by John Gray. As the unfortunately-acronymed NS is core leftie-thinking fodder, it will be uncomfortable reading for many of those Gray terms 'haute-remainers' - the Blairs, Adonises, Grieves and others. I commend it to you.

I have said all along that Brexit was not primarily about the EU but about a wider democratic correction in the UK that re-balances power away from an establishment elite* and back to the voters. This year the BBC, in a rare act of political prescience, featured Reith lectures by Lord Sumption covering the effects of State capture by this political elite on the relationship between law and democracy. Gray's focus is the way in which the Conservative Party has reacted and changed, as it has throughout its history, to ensure it comes through intact. The same cannot be said of parties embracing the haute-remainer cause.

Gray's essay is too crammed with succinct and tight analysis to usefully select any single paragraph to quote summation, so here then, as a sample of the essay rather than a precis, is just one -
The haute-Remainer mind is an example of what the 20th century’s subtlest and most original conservative philosopher called political rationalism. Michael Oakeshott (1901-90) used the term to describe totalitarian ideologies such as Leninism and National Socialism, but he was clear that any kind of political tradition could succumb to rationalist ideology – including conservatism. (His own version of conservatism – an ultra-liberal variety, in which the ideal role of the state was that of an umpire – itself did.) The core of rationalism in politics is an idea of politics itself. Rather than being a practice in which people negotiate the terms on which they co-exist with one another, politics means the imposition of an idea. The idea is self-evidently true; anyone who questions it is ignorant and stupid, or else wilfully malignant. Though they claim to embody reason in politics, haute-Remainers cling to a view of the EU in which facts are secondary or irrelevant. They fulminate on the dangers of Brexit without ever mentioning that Paris has been convulsed by riots while Barcelona has become the scene of mass demonstration, burning streets and police violence. No mere fact can be allowed to cloud the vision of a sacred institution.
Let's see what the day brings.  

* E.g, at random, from 8/4/2010, and in many scores of posts before and after ..

"The Downfall of the Political Class
The public have been way ahead of the moribund old parties on this; we've been sick of the loathsome political class for some time. This hasn't stopped either party from fielding blow-in dags who have no experience other than politics or political organising for seats in the next Parliament, but their time too will come."

24 comments:

JPM said...

Just a point of order.

It is not any European Union institution or official which must agree to any extension.

It is the twenty-seven other countries.

What about Toxteth ablaze, the Poll Tax riots, the NI Troubles along with its massive bombs such as Canary Wharf, and other national UK problems, just like Spain and France's less grave ones today?

Remember the BBC's mute footage of Sinn Fein, and the complete propaganda that we were fed?

Stephen J said...

Hitherto the Tory party has managed to reform itself to chime with the zeitgeist with relative ease, presumably because conservatism is the baseline of the human condition.

That works all the time that the Tory party behaves conservatively.

Clearly since its re-etoniation after the dire major was another attempt at that, though cameron had trouble working up a majority, despite being miles ahead earlier in his leadership.

The problem it has, is that it has chosen the wrong vehicle and also has chosen johnson because it thinks he is a winner. The globalist position is anti human, and all real folk know that. Real people want to be near to the leader, just in case they can help. Real people identify themselves by a shared language and ambition, indeed their interests chime in so many ways that this pattern has a name. It is called nationalism, and it is good, it is pro-human.

Doesn't matter what it does now, it has a default remainer epithet attached now, since "the deal" IS REMAINING.

Mr Ecks said...


Don't forget more trouble in Holland --again the EUBBC does not report. Or hi-jinx in Sweden as the bombs go off.

70% of those polled last week felt that violence against MPs would be acceptable at this point. I agree. But given that background BloJo should take emerg powers and just go on Thurs and set a GE date as 12/12 for total victory. Very few would raise any serious objections. Close the Courts until after GE day. They can review matters then. With a new Parliament.

He is too big a BlueLabour wanker for that.

Don't anybody bother telling me there is all sorts of legal cockrot hedged around the use of the CCA. If the boss class wanted to use it against ord folk--EUMacron style --which is what that scum Bliar created it for--all the legal bullshit would be quietly forgotten.

Mark said...

And let's not forget that slight and ever so well mannered difference of opinions in the Balkans a few years ago.

"The hour of Europe" I seem to recall some pointless Euro nomark saying at the time. Never mind the succour unilaterally provided by the squareheads to their ustashe former comrades in arms which was instrumental in kicking the whole thing off.

The yanks had to save them from themselves as usual.

Anonymous said...

I just returned from Jersey, where in the museums one gains an inkling of the way the Krauts behaved when they had a free hand. A bit like the EU, although the latter is marginally softer. Importation of slave labour, punishment for wrong-think or 'hate speech', German taught in schools, driving to be on the right (OK, there wasn't any petrol, and on Jersey's roads it doesn't matter), concentration camp punishment for listening to the radio - or possession - or being Jewish (the latter being Labour policy writ large) and sequestration of property.

Thud said...

What day is it today? monster Monday? I've lost track of these momentous days.

Dave_G said...


@JPM - It doesn't matter who is required to agree an extension - there should never even have been allowed such a possibility. Either sort it out 'there and then' or you're OUT.

This kicking-the-can-down-the-road attitude has been the principle cause for the protests and, now, a public preconception that violence against politicians is acceptable.

The problems you illustrate happening in the UK were as a result of UK policy decisions (or lack of) whereas problems across Europe are principally caused by EU policy, specifically their manipulation of the Euro and open borders attitude (not to mention their hypocrisy over Catalan issues). The fact that various EU members are openly resisting EU policy (Hungary and Poland over immigration, Greece and Italy over the EU etc) shows that the EU simply will not adapt to member requirements and keep pushing their one-size-fits-all approach.

At least, in the UK, the demonstrations/riots you mention ended. How long have the French (etc) been protesting? And how long must the UK 'suffer' under the can-kicking approach?

Dave_G said...


.... and as if the current crop of populism isn't indicative enough..

Merkel losing again

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/stunning-loss-merkel-cdu-surpassed-populist-afd-thuringia-elections

Portugal joins the uprising

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/europes-populist-wave-reaches-portugal

'Can-kicking' now looks set to be replaced by 'the writing on the wall'.


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Anonymous said...

JPM - NI troubles, Toxteth, Poll Tax riots - Remind me, How many decades ago were these? Can you find nothing more recent? The troubles in Barcelona and France are taking place NOW! Just Pathetic!

Anonymous said...

To anonymous at 12:13

Recent examples ... Breckon (sp?) & Radnorshire, DUP Party Conference, Grimsby fishing industry (special exclusion request), withdrawal of Conservative whip (20x), Boris' losing streak, Conservative funk at bringing the WA Bill up for a vote

How about Boris running abroad to avoid the Heathrow runway vote ...

Oh, and have you been to any recent agricultural shows and talked to the sheep farmers who are playing musical chairs to figure out whose flock will be first for cull post Brexit no deal ..

Anonymous said...

Screw the establishment elite.

Give me down to earth chaps like Boris, Jacob and Nigel any day! I'm proud to have shaken their calloused hands and broken bread with them.

Michael

Anonymous said...

Looks like UK firms exporting to NI will have to maintain two sets of books for tax and rules-of-origin purposes.

Goodbye to all that EU red tape!

Good for the UK as the tax rake from all those UK firms relocating to NI will shoot through the roof!

JRM's Tax Advisor (not an expert)

Stanley said...

Boris has lost his wonderful model bus made out of a special edition packing case by Ffyfes to commemorate the last official shipment of bendy bananas.

Please let me know if anybody finds it.

Boris is upset and threatening to die in a ditch.

Thank you,

Stanley

Anonymous said...

Lot of weirdos on here.
Lot of weirdos really upset by the referendum not going their way.

Dave_G said...


Anon 00:35

I'd love to hear your whinging and whining when something you consider to be a legitimate 'right' gets thwarted by sanctimonious, anti-democratic, knee-jerk advocates of anything-but-the-truth.

Jock Ular said...

Royal Mint reporting that it will 'recycle' freshly minted Brexit 50p coins. All very Soviet Union isn't it? Make work for Brexiteers?

jack ketch said...

All very Soviet Union isn't it?

Da Tovarish, and when all the little Brexiteers vote von Farage and split the Bexit vote, Genosse Corbynsk will surge into Office on a crimson macro-biotic beetroot tide.

At least I assume that's what Corbyn is planning on cos otherwise him agreeing to an election was a bit stupid, better a de facto majority in the House than risking a GE.

Mark said...

And who will the little remainers vote for? Why is the leave vote the only one that can be split?

The "little brexiteers" include a lot of traditional labour voters in case you haven't noticed.

And yes, Corbyn is pretty dim.

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jack ketch said...


Why is the leave vote the only one that can be split?- Mark

As the events of this week alone have shown , obviously the remain vote can also be split but if Labour has the largest number of seats after the GE they will get into bed with the LibDems for a tuition-fee free brino love-in. Whether, if the roles are reversed, the Tories'll want to do a deal with BP is the question and the BP probably won't support anything but a crash and burn brexit...unless Farage has been lying to his supporters but, perish the thought, no politician would ever do such a thing.

Mark said...

Not sure why Grandad semtex would have the largest number of seats but that remains to be seen.

What is it you think the commies - and the limp dumps, the Scottish Nazis or anybody else (and that includes the tories) - will fight this election on? Not a facetious question BTW. Only the Brexit party clearly states it would be happy with no "deal", only the limp dumps (and the Scottish Nazis?) I think unequivocally say they will revoke article 50. These are the only really honest positions.

The rest say they will "deliver Brexit" and we've all seen what that means over the last three years. I'll be very interested to hear what they have to say if there actually is an election in December.

But everybody seems to forget the EU itself. Do you not think Jack - again, not a facetious question - that the EU might not actually want us anymore?

The referendum was the surrender. A remain vote would have given them the moral - for want of a better word - right to do with us pretty well as they wanted (or rather allowed the quislings to say "well you voted for it"). But that did rather blow up in their faces.

When the Euro folds, as it will (please JPM, spare us "Nigel Farage said in 2012.…") would they want a safe haven like Britain inside? Of course, publicly the Euro is the thousand year currency, but I imagine in reality all sorts of scenarios are being wargamed.

And not just the Euro. The Lisbon treaty in effect is blocking the relief valve on the political boiler. So typically "European", oh so clever and sophisticated. Ha plebs, you're no match for our small print!

We'll be thankful for that strip of water as we have been so many times in the past.

RAC said...

" BORIS JOHNSON has personally restored the Conservative whip back to 10 of the 21 Tory rebels who were expelled for voting to try to rule out a no deal Brexit earlier this year."

The only thing important to the selfish Cons is their party and that is why I would not piss on them if they were burning to death.
The blame lies no where else.
They and only they are responsible for this present debacle.

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