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Saturday, 5 October 2019

The UK - Pour encourager les autres?

One sometimes starts to wonder whether the entire mess, blunder and deep divisions of the past three years have not been contrived for the benefit of the EU, as a lesson and warning to the remaining 27 of what will happen to them should they dare to challenge the rule of the EU. Such musing is not discouraged today by Der Spiegel, normally the most illiberal and anti-Brexit of organs -
The EU Must Soften Its Approach

As such, the EU should take a step back -- it's in its own interest -- to meet the British at the halfway point. The EU no longer needs to fear that Brexit will find imitators if Brussels shows itself to be too yielding. The picture Britain has painted over the past three years -- the crises in government and parliament and the threat of the United Kingdom disintegrating -- should have a sufficiently deterrent effect. After more than two years of negotiations and considerable struggle, Brexit has become inevitable. It would be good for the process to finally be completed. Separating in a positive manner is the prerequisite for a reasonable relationship in the future.
Apart from a tacit admission that May's ineffective bodgers had previously been beaten into a wholly unequal deal by Brussels, it is also a plea for Germany not to be burdened with a hostile and belligerent Britain when she has just herself fallen into the most difficult of recessions.

My own view is that we will emerge stronger, renewed and reformed from the Brexit debacle - with some much-needed constitutional cleansing once we have a decent working majority in Commons and Lords, some democratic house-cleaning and electoral repairs. One reform must be to limit lawfare - the ability of the very wealthy to undermine democracy through the courts - and to restate the limits on the power of the courts. We are not the EU, and have no wish to surrender our democratic freedom to the corrupt rule of lawyers and the very rich. 


Sackerson said...

You mean, a sole victim should be allowed to crawl back to camp, as a warning to others, like William Brydon after the retreat from Kabul.

Typo - "encourager."

Raedwald said...

Tx - corrected ;(

DeeDee99 said...

When we're out, the UK should make it perfectly clear to any other potential escapees that we will extend the hand of friendship and immediately negotiate a mutually beneficial trade treaty with them. I am now permanently hostile to the EU and the two countries it is run to benefit: France and Germany. And that isn't going to change by implementation of the Barnier/Robbins Surrender Treaty, minus the NI backstop.

As for "democratic house-cleaning." Who is going to do this? The same Establishment and political party which took us into the EEC with no mandate; morphed it into the EU with no mandate and has spent the past 3 years effectively betraying its own voter-base?

Forgive me if I don't raise even one cheer: the CON Party will never do anything to clean-up our "democracy" that isn't in its OWN interests.

Mark said...

If it is just Treason's "deal" slightly rehashed, why aren't they grabbing it with both hands? What else do they want?

Span Ows said...

"Apart from a tacit admission that May's ineffective bodgers had previously been beaten into a wholly unequal deal by Brussels..."

This is wholly wrong Raedwald, May and her 'bodgers' were not beaten at all, they wanted and agreed to BRINO eagerly.

Like Brendan O'Neill's column just after the referendum, the campaigns etc. have revealled the slime, the scum, the traitors, the shits (most definitely confirmed in the 3 years since then!) and there has to be a reckoning.

JPM said...

The highly admirable Jolyon Maugham QC comes from a very modest background, struggled as a youngster, and is funded by ordinary people such as me.

Lord Pannick is giving his services pro bono, for free.

Show some respect.

John in Cheshire said...

I say let's face the music and dance:

Pat said...

I note the acknowledgement that Brexit is now inevitable.

Sobers said...

"The highly admirable Jolyon Maugham QC comes from a very modest background, struggled as a youngster, and is funded by ordinary people such as me."

And owns a house that can be rented out for a very modest £950 per night (£1200-1500 in school holiday naturally):

A real man of the people.

Anonymous said...

No, sorry. The EU must harden its approach. That way we will get a proper Brexit.

Anonymous said...

We all knew the EU would punish us to stop any other countries daring to break free from the corrupt socialist superstate. Poland and Hungary are little fry compared to us and they would not dare to even think about leaving now.

When (if) we eventually leave the day should be declared a bank holiday to rub the noses in it of the traitorous scum now infecting this country. The Remainers should be made to work while us democrats get the day off.

Raedwald said...

Josef Stalin also came from a very modest background, as did Pol Pot.

Your point is?

JPM said...

The degenerate, inherited wealthy who rule us are the likes of Rees-Mogg and Johnson, not these diligent and learned lawyers as you wrongly claim.

Mark said...

Silly question!!

Mark said...

The miilipedes will inherit nothing from their marxist millionaire dad when he pops his clogs I suppose?

Not that these men of the people would need it of course.

Mr Ecks said...

Maugham is --like you Cheesy--a scummy traitor.

Post Brexit the first consideration is the punishment of trash like you. The confiscation of a large amount--if not all-- of your wealth would be a good start. The noose would be better --but failing a civil war would be a be an Owl Creek Bridge too far.

But hitting greedy selfish middle class Marxist London Bubble Proggie scum like you in the pocket is ideal.

John Brown said...

It was always the case that the EU intended to punish the UK “pour encourager les autres”.

As Mr. Hollande, the French President at the time of the EU referendum, said 07/10/2016 about Brexit :

“There must be a threat, there must be a risk, there must be a price, otherwise we will be in negotiations that will not end well and, inevitably, will have economic and human consequences.”

I still don’t know why our government is not taking the EU to an international court for not complying with its Lisbon Treaty Article 50, paragraph 2 which states :

…..“In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union….”

In addition to the obvious advantages of taking back control of our money, laws and assets it will also mean the end of our money being used by the EU to corrupt our MPs, civil service, corporates, quangos and judiciary etc. into working for the EU against our national interests.

Sackerson said...

Mao and Pol Pot trained for (or aimed at) teaching, Stalin for the priesthood. On the whole I'd stick with "degenerates" like the unfailingly polite and measured JRM (one senses a cartain loss of balance in our resident provocateur.)

Sackerson said...

... as to the alleged Stakhanovite diligence of lawyers, I'm reminded of the German general's staff analysis:

"I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and diligent -- their place is the General Staff. The next lot are stupid and lazy -- they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent -- he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always cause only mischief."

Would we be far off the mark in describing BoJo - whatever his personal peccadilloes - as clever and lazy?

Elby the Beserk said...

"We are not the EU, and have no wish to surrender our democratic freedom to the corrupt rule of lawyers and the very rich. "

Hmm.Already surrendered it seems.

Oh and by the way, those grainy Captcha images discriminate against such as me with poor eyesight. Eight repeats to get it right.

Bill Quango MP said...

Lord Pannick is giving his services pro bono, for free.

But the highly admirable Jolyon Maugham QC does not? Why not?

JPM said...

Oh, so we hate to see people get on by learning, and by being good at what they do eh?

Yep, the Politics Of Envy are on the Right for sure. You only seem to admire inherited wealth.

Anonymous said...

Not at all. That is why I think Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg should be supported. It isn't enough to go to a god public school -- you have to work hard to get good enough A levels to get into Oxford. And when there, you have to work to get a decent degree.

Calling either of these men "degenerate" is absurd. Degeneracy comes from regular intermarriage with cousins, not from inherited wealth.

Don Cox

Span Ows said...

JPM, and your answer to Bill's question is...?

Anonymous said...

The blood of my Uncle, Frederic George, flowed into the waters of the English Channel in 1944. His generation returned Europe to its rightful owners. Those bastards in Brussels can fuck off with their 'no nations no borders' bullshit. And when its finished doing that it can fuck off into history. The European Union is not only a massive waste of money its very existence spits in the face of democracy.


Mark said...

"Oh, so we hate to see people get on by learning, and by being good at what they do eh?"

That's not why we think you're a cunt cheerful.

Anonymous said...

Good to see Steve Baker's team working late on a Sunday night. No need to trouble the Brexit masses.

Rather unfortunate that his begging letter got swift and short shrift. Still, he can always fall back on a bit of Boris' pep talk.

Adolf Painter said...


… man of the people.... like Boris for whom 250,000 is chump change (look it up).

Raedwald said...

I think Jolyon Maugham paid well over a million for that holiday windmill, and another million renovating it - in addition to his London, and possibly other homes. So he's not short of a few millions.

To an unemployed Sheffield steelworker struggling to live on less than £5,000 a year, that makes him rich. Possibly you don't regard it as such, Cheesy.

As I wrote, We are not the EU, and have no wish to surrender our democratic freedom to the corrupt rule of lawyers and the very rich.

mikebravo said...

I think The Maybot will have fallen into the stupid and dilligent group.

Historian said...

German carmakers will save us.

Prosecco sellers need our fish n chips.

Hungary will veto an extension.

Oh no! None of that worked. Never mind, Boris will simply sabotage EU functions (Telegraph header).

A.N. Other Historian said...

One million unemployed fifteen seconds after VOTING for Brexit.
A punishment budget of super high taxes.
Every person over the age of three will be £4302.41 worse off.
Aircraft will be unable to land in the uk.
The USA will put the UK at the back of a mythical trade queue.

Oh no! None of this project fear worked. So the elite will simply change 1100 years of constitutional law making and revoke.

Anonymous said...

@A.N. Other Historian

It looks like Boris is on track to revoke Art 50, with the full weight of parliamentary sovereignty.

Anonymous said...

@A. N. Historian

Regarding "USA .. mythical trade queue.." Brexit will lead the UK to violate the GFA. Lots of US politicians will view this badly (read up on Nancy Pelosi, the US lady on Question time last week, the chaps that add green dye to the river running through Chicago on St. Patrick's day etc. etc.)

It won't be a case of being at the back of the queue as much as not being in the queue at all.

Span Ows said...

wait...Nancy Pelosi was on Question Time? WTF?!!

Mark said...

I think Cheerful was referring to some nomark called Bonnie Greer. Easy mistake for him to make.

Said nomark believes that a question time audience is representative of British opinion. Silly little nomark!

Raedwald said...

Cheesy, like Corbyn, will discover that very few Irish people want what he imagines they want. It's not the first time he's come on here threatening terrorist violence at third hand.