They twist, turn and wriggle like greased snakes, using every wile, every deviant artifice, every low trick to frustrate Britain's exit from the EU. The pretence at not wanting to leave without a deal is exposed - they have a deal, they even have time to debate it in parliament, but no. They don't want to honour their election promises, honour their pledges - they will twist, cheat and wriggle, swallow their solemn pledges, their manifesto promises because their simple aim is to deny democracy.
This rogue parliament has placed itself in opposition to the people of Britain. We must clear it out, flush the odious feculence from our parliament. We demand an election NOW.
VE 75th anniversary drink-up
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I hope I will be able to raise a glass next May. My late father walked from Normandy to Bremen, and although it took him eleven months, from 6th June 1944 until May 1945, his tardiness was I think excusable as the entire Wehrmacht was trying to kill him at the time.
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Yes, Raedwald - we demand a General Election. But realistically, under the rigged Party system we have and FPTP, a majority of the charlatans sitting on the green benches are likely to be returned; all the charlatans sitting on the red benches are immune from the ballot box. And the rest of the pro-EU Establishment, including the members of the Supreme Court, will still be in place, to carry out their democracy-denying subversion of this country.
Do you really think the CON Party is going to do anything about any of that? I don't.
And if Boris wins a majority, all we will get is his Capitulation Treaty making us a vassal state of the EU for 3+years until the EU can force us into a version of Associate Membership.
I will be voting Brexit Party.
I just heard one of those ERG fraudsters talking to Nick Ferrari, Jenkin, Bernard rather than Andrea with an S. He seemed frustrated that some people were holding out against Boris's deal.
I can't think why?
Presumably he has so far looked a little bit too honest to make a good MP, so he has decided that if he cheats and cheats big, he might get away with it.
Anyway, unlike DeeDee99, I think that the Brexit Party is doing a lot better than the polls would suggest, and we don't need no stinkin' deal with Doris. I mean who could trust that bloke to hold a door for you?
All we need is a general election, and I think that is in the power of the monarch, who should not (however old) be sitting around smirking while we are being treated like this.
Vote tbe useless tories back in with a whole new set of promises?
Proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time!
If "the people" are really "crying out" for a general election, then why weren't there a million of them in Westminster demanding one?
And even if there were, if we can have three general elections in just four years, then why the Donald Duck can't we have three referendums in forty-five years?
Brenda in Bristol is on the money.
I'm with DeeDee99 on this one and for exactly the same reasons.
Boris' deal is effectively the same as May's turd of a deal, with a few glittery stars on it. No self respecting Briton could sign it.
Proof, if ever it were needed that you just cannot trust the tories, except that is to betray you.
You are having a larf JPM, the only genuine million related to referendums is the one and a half million more that voted FOR brexit than against it.
Referendums are special in the UK, that is why they are rare. They are a rare situation where the parliament cannot agree about an issue, so the executive decide to throw it out to the "sovereign" people... The people that send the representatives that make what we know as parliament, those people.
Parliament is not supposed to be involved in this full stop. What would be the point of having another referendum when the parliament refuses to accept the principals under which they are held?
The question is very simple, the problem that parliament has with the correct answer is that they regard it as a threat to their collective sinecure. i.e. if this remains a democracy, we might lose our entitlements, so let us doeverything we can to fool the JPM types among us that democracy is old and out of date and that fascism is so much better.
It takes all sorts I s'pose.
So if a million people were to turn up outside wastemonster Grandad semtex, the limp dumps, the scottish nazi party and all
the rest would suddenly be screaming for an election?
Why have you suddenly developed a fetish for referenda? I thought they were only advisory and we were too stupid to understand the questions.
Fool us once, shame on you.
Fool us for 3+ years, not a chance.
V- Vengeance.
V- Vote TBP
The strategic voting plan is (depending on the manifesto (ha ha)) to vote Conservative where a Conservative Leave MP is the likely outcome and vote Brexit Party anywhere else. If you live in Scotland, Wales or NI you may want to reflect on local issues though.
I doubt that the Brexit Party would win big in the next election, however desirable that might be, but they might split the Leaver vote if they stand against a Conservative Leaver. We don't want any last minute cock-ups do we? Besides the Brexit Party could go into the GE after the next with a stronger track record if they gain some MPs first.
There is a bigger, behind-the-scenes, controlling 'party' in this. The EU.
Whilst our elected representatives seek to secure their own futures it is only by virtue of EU policy (via the WA) that they are in that position.
A real deal, with genuine, no-dispute solutions and on a fixed timescale for implementation without strings attached, would have flown and politicians wouldn't - shouldn't - have had any excuse to body-swerve the question or the answer.
The whole issue has been manipulated from a binary one of 'leave or remain' to one with a gabillion implications and a gazillion routes.
Stop with the obfuscation, state the bleedin' obvious and make this a LEAVE or REMAIN problem AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO US.
And, like many commenters on here, TBP has my vote too.
Have to agree with mikebravo on this one, the Tories are front and centre in this deception - over the pond Conservatives are no better, only 9 Republicans are actively backing their Commander-in-Chief against the Swamp. Disgraceful. Something very strange happened to Conservatism after Reagan then Thatcher left the world stage - and I'm a former Labour supporter. All I can say is prepare to be deceived: Johnson's BRINO is a stinker.
Steve
Parliament is full of people who lied to get elected, and who are betraying what they were voted in to do. So I don't recognise it, and it doesn't represent me. If I obey its laws it's only because of it threatens violence against me for not doing so.
I don't usually stay up all night to watch election results but the next time I will. I want see the faces of these anti-democratic scum of all sides getting their marching orders.
Jaded
Sadly I think you'll be disappointed Jaded, as would I be were I to stay up.
The vast majority of people don't much care and will continue to vote the way their ancestors always voted. It'll only change when the 'panem et circenses' fail to be delivered due to a complete collapse of the system. Then they'll wake up, but too late.
I don't think a General Election will resolve the issue.
A recent poll showing many people being 'ok' with promoting (or instigating) violence against our politicians is something that needs greater coverage.
I've said (as have many others) that the undercurrent of disillusionment and propensity for civil disruption is a lot greater than the media cares to report and is something the Government needs to take seriously.
Civil unrest seems to be on an exponential rise across the globe and certainly won't pass us by if .gov continues to go against the democratic wishes of the majority.
It is undemocratic for our current Parliament to continue and vote upon any bills because so many Party and individual manifesto pledges have been broken that to do so would be fraudulent.
At the very least, those MPs who have changed party allegiance should be resigning and submitting themselves for re-election.
We have witnessed an EU/remainer coup and I am not expecting a GE to take place until either a second referendum has taken place with a new set of rules designed to favour remain or Article 50 has been revoked. Or they have succeeded in binding future Parliaments against leaving the EU without a deal (viz without the EU's permission).
But if one does, then I think this will be such an important election that it would be madness for leavers to vote in such a way as to split the leave vote as it could be the last meaningful vote this country ever has for a very long time if ever.
Although the current WA is correctly described as not leaving the EU, or as associate membership, we must recognise that it is still far better than remaining in the EU as a full member which is truly colonial status.
Only by making the first step out of the EU treaties can we continue the fight for our freedom.
@ John Brown 20:07
" But if one does, then I think this will be such an important election that it would be madness for leavers to vote in such a way as to split the leave vote as it could be the last meaningful vote this country ever has for a very long time if ever."
It will be Con voters who will be splitting the vote by voting for a party that has willfully failed us for the last three plus years, and yet even now making excuses for johnsons Brino deal.
The rest of the leave voters will be voting for a party that fully intends to get us out, putting our future before trying to save a failed and treacherous party.
RAC 25/10/2019 @ 20:52 :
Whilst I will agree with you that the Conservatives are a “failed and treacherous party” (in common with other parties) the party system is clearly broken - I read today that 20 Conservative MPs intend to vote on Monday against a GE – and hence leavers should at the next GE be voting for individual candidates based solely upon that candidate’s views on Brexit, just as the remainers have already done to winning effect.
So I would not want TBP supporters to be voting for their candidates against incumbent and popular Brexit supporting Conservative MPs and I would want all Brexit supporters to vote for TBP in Labour or Lib Dem or SNP constituencies where the Conservative Party candidate has no chance.
However, I’m not expecting this EU/remainer Parliament to allow a GE to take place until they have either held a second referendum with new remainer advantageous rules or revoked Article 50.
But when this second referendum is held I shall still be voting for BRINO as however bad it is full EU membership is even worse as it is complete colonial status with the added disadvantage that our tax money will continue to be used by the EU to corrupt our MPs, civil service, corporates, educational establishments, judiciary, quangos etc..
We can only elect a true Brexit supporting Parliament and fight for our eventual freedom from the EU if we are outside of the existing EU treaties.
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